David I ; Gotta say I am impressed by your post. I myself agree very much with your run through of things. Nuf on that. Obviously this rivets bit has a few people scratching their heads. But I still have to stand by that as its exactly what it sounds like to me. But let me clarify. We are not talking about how such a cymbal sounds when banged hard. Thats hardly what I'd call sizzeling. Nope... its how the sound of a riveted cymbal sounds as its dying out... that long simmering echoish sizzzzz... Thats what it sounds like to me. Exactly what happens if you take your finger nail and lightly tap a riveted cymbal. And I agree with you... I dont really want that kind of sound either. So I would have no problem with braiding off like a Steinway. That said, "Mr Grotrian" evidently likes his sound as thats the way they build them. They seem to want as much contribution as is possible to design into all non speaking lengths. Definantly looking for a different sound then other makes. For anyone interested, there was a whole series of posts back and forth a few years back under the thread Grotrian Cymbalese. https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/1999-November/054265.html https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/1999-November/054308.html https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/1999-November/054355.html Many good posts were written by lots of folks. Cheers RicB Clearly no Grotrian Steinweg is going to have a sound like a cymbal with rivets. Ric said sort of like...meaning to me a little bit, kind of like... If we think about what the Baldwin SD10 sounded like at the high end without any string felt in the tuning pin area...that is probably what Ric is describing. When Baldwin started doing that, I'm not sure...But that is not the sound I want on that piano and I will always get some understring felt in there and/or stringing braid. I wouldn't hesitate to mute off the bass, tenor section backscale of a Grotrian either. That isn't the kind of sound I want. How many pianos have that unmuted backscale? If this is Grotrian's usual method they must have been looking for a different sound. David I. PS Hopefully Conrad, you haven't been storing the flamesuits in New Orleans?
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