Vice Grip voicing

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Thu, 29 Sep 2005 8:17:51 -0700


i.e.  in effect

David I.



----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Avery Todd" <avery1@houston.rr.com>, tune4u@earthlink.net, Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: 9/28/2005 11:58:00 PM
Subject: RE: Vice Grip voicing


>i.e. = "that is to say"
>MG.(UK)

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Avery Todd [mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com] 
>Sent: 28 September 2005 20:51
>To: tune4u@earthlink.net; Pianotech
>Subject: RE: Vice Grip voicing

>Alan,

>I agree, but......

> >Voicing with the vice-grips, i.e. multiple-needles, etc.,

>To me, the "i.e." means they are the same (in other words). They're not!
>IMO.
>Am I wrong about what i.e. means? I know I have yet to see vice grips with
>needles attached! :-)

>Avery

>At 03:14 PM 9/28/05, you wrote:
>>Sounds right BUT ...
>>
>>When confronted with petrified wool on a newish oriental piano, I certainly
>>like to give them a little hug on each side with my vise grips. Then, when
>>I have their attention, we can talk about subtleties.
>>
>>Alan Barnard
>>Salem, Missouri
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: J. R. White <jrwhiteltd@msn.com>
>> > To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> > Date: 09/28/2005 1:48:56 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Vice Grip voicing
>> >
>> > Voicing with the vice-grips, i.e. multiple-needles, etc., is far too
>>radical
>> > for any but the trashiest pianos.  One cannot produce subtle tonal
>changes
>> > with such a tool.  Voicing is about subtleties.
>> > When I'm voicing any world-class instrument, I'm very conscious of
>making
>> > subtle adjustments, and of the need to make them GENTLY.
>> > My tools are instruments, not bludgeons.  So is my technique.
>> > Ross White
>> >
>>
>>
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