twisting front rail key pins

[Avery]

How about that hard teflon (whatever it is) type stuff that Bill Spurlock uses
on some things?

Avery

At 08:00 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
>Hi David,
>I have not tried that, The nylon would not hold up under use as well 
>and might be too flexable.
>It would be easier to work with.
>Joe Goss RPT
>Mother Goose Tools
><mailto:imatunr at srvinet.com>imatunr at srvinet.com
>www.mothergoosetools.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:ilvey at sbcglobal.net>David Ilvedson
>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org
>Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:54 PM
>Subject: Re: twisting front rail key pins
>
>That's a great idea, Joe.  How about made out of something that 
>won't mar the pin?  Would nylon work?
>
>David Ilvedson, RPT
>Pacifica, California
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>Original message
>From: "Joe And Penny Goss"
>To: "Pianotech List"
>Received: 6/23/2006 9:17:00 AM
>Subject: Re: twisting front rail key pins
>
>Yes there is a tool, but I need orders to produce it <O((
>The tool is easily made out of !/4" square brass stock 3" long.
>Two holes just larger than the narrow part of the front rail pin on each end.
>One will be larger than the other for the most common sizes of pins.
>After drilling the holes ream out the hole parallel to the length of 
>the brass bar.
>Use a triangle, round, half round, anything that you can get to work to
>get the tool to slip over the size pin you are wanting to turn. You 
>should have an ovalish hole.
>To turn the pin lift the free end of the tool to bind it on the pin 
>and turn until the tool points either straight towards you or away, 
>depending on how you are using the tool. Careful not to bend the 
>pin, Use the tool like you would use your tuning hammer thinking of 
>the bending torque that you do not want.
>To cut down on filing drill 3 small holes in line and then drill out 
>the center hole larger.
>Joe Goss RPT
>Mother Goose Tools
><mailto:imatunr at srvinet.com>imatunr at srvinet.com
>www.mothergoosetools.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:amy at zilknet.net>Amy Zilk
>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>Pianotech List
>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:04 AM
>Subject: Re: twisting front rail key pins
>
>How do you untwist them?  I just rebushed a set of keys and some of 
>the pins had been twisted.  I wasn't able to untwist any of them.  I 
>didn't have any tools that didn't slip.  Do you know of any tools 
>that work for this?  For that matter, what tool did you use to twist them?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>az
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>Porritt, David wrote:
>>You're not missing anything.  That's the reason the front rail pins 
>>are oblong and now round.  Replacing the bushings is a better 
>>solution but in a pinch I've turned quite a few!
>>dp
>>David M. Porritt
>><mailto:dporritt at smu.edu>dporritt at smu.edu
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>>From: <mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org>pianotech-bounces at ptg.org 
>>[mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sivak
>>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:31 AM
>>To: pianotech
>>Subject: twisting front rail key pins
>>List
>>
>>I've always been told, "Don't twist the front key pins to eliminate 
>>side motion on keys that have the key bushings worn out."  And I've 
>>always accepted that.
>>Last week I was at a composer/friend's house.  He has a 1930s 
>>Kimball grand, really worn out.  I did a full regulation on the 
>>piano, and he didn't want to pay for new key bushings, so I twisted 
>>them, and the difference is wonderful.  No side play on the keys, 
>>feels like a million bucks.
>>Now I understand it would be unethical to do that to a piano and 
>>then sell it, hiding a problem, but what's wrong with improving the 
>>play of a piano by doing the same?  Sure, it may accelerate wear on 
>>the bushings, but the bushings are worn out now!  They need 
>>replacing already.  All this does is extend the deadline and make 
>>the piano play much better until D Day comes.
>>Am I missing something?  What's the down side to this?
>>
>>Tom Sivak
>>Chicago
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