superglue burning eyes

John Delmore jodel at kairos.net
Mon May 1 09:22:07 MDT 2006


Dead on, David.  A low risk is still a risk, and ANY chemicals we work with
should be treated with a healthy amount of respect.  As one of my chemistry
professors put it (years ago, I won't say how many!) "Be a snob about your
work."  She meant "keep your nose away from the chemicals", not "act like
you're better than everybody else".  Many chemicals we encounter (most
notably methylene chloride based strippers) have a cumulative toxicity and
should not be used (at all would be preferable) without OVER-ADEQUATE
ventilation.  If you smell it, it's WAY too much.  Be safe, not sorry.
John
 
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Subject: RE: RE : superglue burning eyes
 




The following is quoted from the excellent source cited by John Delmore:



A number of studies, both case reports and workplace surveys, have been
reported in which occurrences of asthma have been linked with exposure to
ECA and/or MCA. In many bronchial challenge tests, it seems that the
challenge concentrations involved were directly irritant. Hence, it cannot
be judged whether the mechanism of the observed bronchoconstrictive effects
is allergic or irritative; in many cases, the responses seen can be
attributed to irritant effects exacerbating a pre-existing asthmatic
condition (or one induced by some agent other than MCA/ECA). 
http://www.inchem.org/documents/cicads/cicads/cicad36.htm#11.1

It also says:


There are no useful carcinogenicity or reproductive toxicity data available.


The question as to whether the material is toxic, as opposed to an irritant
or an allergen is somewhat academic.  If you experience symptoms, you know
you need to take protective measures.  If you don't experience symptoms, you
still need to do so.  One problem, of course, occurs when the exposure limit
is lower than the odor threshold, that is, by the time you smell it, you're
overexposed.  MSDS's should have that info.  

With regard to the UFO version of the Satellite City brand of CA glue, my
inquiries, after my own experience last summer, provided the explanation
that the molecular weight is heavier, which makes the fumes heavier and tend
to settle away from the face.  This is all fine, however, if the material is
used in an enclosed space, and the air is stirred, either by fan or by other
movement, the beneficial effects are mitigated.  

Respirators must fit properly (sorry, no facial hair allowed) and can create
their own respiratory distress, in the increased resistance to air flow.

IMO The only really safe (for you and the customer) way to use this "stuff
in extended application is to insure sufficient air exchange.

The again, there's Marcel :



 sometimes a man's got to do what a man's got to do.

Marcel Carey

So, to quote from  O Brother, Where Art Thou,  "I'm with you fellers".

David Skolnik













  http://www.inchem.org/documents/cicads/cicads/cicad36.htm#9.2.2

The cure time is indeed controlled by the acid content.  The polymerization
is initiated by a base, and terminated by an acid (water can act as both),
so the more acid you have, the shorter the polymer chains, and the longer it
takes to get all the monomers involved.

Accelerators contain much nastier fumes than the actual CA.  CA is an
irritant, but in accidents where people got it in their eyes, even, there
was no lasting damage reported.  There have been reports of people being
sensitized to CA, to the point that they could no longer use it, but this
seems to be pretty rare.

Hope this helps, sorry to sound so scientific, but I AM a chemist!! :-) 
John

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Either way, it seems to me that the fumes are irritating and noxious,
but so far I'm not seeing info stating that they're toxic. Can anyone
point to something definitive that says CA fumes are toxic? Thanks.

-Mark Schecter

> 
> http://www.ca-plus.com/faq.html
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