Are we talking about typical customer language "stickey keys" meaning some problems with certain notes, or "sticky keys" meaning certain keys that are sticky? Sid >Hi everyone, > >I'm a relatively new piano tuner (full time for about six months.) > >I tuned a 5 year old upright Yang Chung this morning.The woman >hasn't played it very much. > >There were many "stickey keys." Whatever I tried did not work (I'm >still learning repairs with my teacher.) > >I would appreciate any suggestions on how to "unstick" the keys. > >Thanks. > >Joe Rosenberg > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "pianotech-request at ptg.org" <pianotech-request at ptg.org> >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:36:08 AM >Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1280, Issue 59 > >Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech at ptg.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > <https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request at ptg.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. New Hammers on Old Piano /Antares (Ric Brekne) > 2. Former president Sid Stone (Steve Blasyak) > 3. Re: OT Key buttons (firmin1) > 4. Laser Level for Bench Regulation (ed440 at mindspring.com) > 5. Re: Former president Sid Stone (John Ross) > 6. Re: OT Key buttons (John Ross) > 7. Re: OT Key buttons (John Ross) > 8. Re: Laser Level for Bench Regulation (richard.ucci at att.net) > 9. Re: Former president Sid Stone (Avery) > 10. Re: Laser Level for Bench Regulation (Cy Shuster) > 11. Re: Laser Level for Bench Regulation (Avery) > 12. Re: Former president Sid Stone (Thomas Cole) > 13. RE: Looking for specific caul (Isaac Sadigursky) > 14. RE: Antique Pianos (Richard Moody) >Hey !!! Look who drops in for a visit ! Hi there my friend ! > >Cheers >RicB > > >I just happen to take a glance at pianotech, and what do I see? >They are still talking about hammers...... > >Apparently an issue one never gets tired of....... > >OOR > >Greetings from not so Sunny... but warm So. Cal. > >This is not piano or PTG related, it is more of a personal notice to >the tech list readers. Our former president and dear friend to >anyone who knows him Sid Stone is prominently displayed on the front >page of the Orange County Register this morning (10/15). >Unfortunately the article has nothing to do with piano work or the >PTG. The topic is eminent domain. Not to get into politics but a >proposition restricting eminent domain powers will be on >the ballot in California next month. Apparently Sid and his >family were the (victims) of a Caltrans acquisitions some 35 years >ago. > >Well it's a sad story but anyone interested can read it online at >OCREGESTER.COM. > >Steve Blasyak ><mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>atuneforyou at earthlink.net >EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >Thanks for all the tips. I just bought a bandsaw for that purpose. I plan to >use hot glue, so the waiting will be a bit longer between buttons. I have >the Jaras jig, too. I am a stickler for hot glue, as that is all I have ever >used, for 25 years now, and I am so used to it. >So, I'll rough cut with band saw, then try to get more flush with band saw >after gluing, then use a block plane.. >Thanks! >Berley Firmin II >Is anyone out there using a laser level for bench regulating? >This afternoon I bought a Gen-Tech Laser Level from Harbor Freight ($14.99) >The laser rotates to send a horizontal or vertical plane of light, >very useful. >By setting it on some wood scraps and shimming with cards I could >easily align it to first and last sample hammers in a section. It >was very convenient for setting hammer line and back checks. For >some pianos it could perhaps also gauge let off and drop. >Ed Sutton >What is a Caltrans acquisition. >I tried logging on to the site, but didn't know where to go. >Would it be possible, to send the actual site for the page, please? > >John M. Ross >Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada ><mailto:jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>Steve Blasyak >To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org >Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:35 PM >Subject: Former president Sid Stone > >Greetings from not so Sunny... but warm So. Cal. > >This is not piano or PTG related, it is more of a personal notice to >the tech list readers. Our former president and dear friend to >anyone who knows him Sid Stone is prominently displayed on the front >page of the Orange County Register this morning (10/15). >Unfortunately the article has nothing to do with piano work or the >PTG. The topic is eminent domain. Not to get into politics but a >proposition restricting eminent domain powers will be on >the ballot in California next month. Apparently Sid and his >family were the (victims) of a Caltrans acquisitions some 35 years >ago. > >Well it's a sad story but anyone interested can read it online at >OCREGESTER.COM. > >Steve Blasyak ><mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>atuneforyou at earthlink.net >EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >When you say hot glue, I hope you mean hide glue, heated in a pot, and not >that stuff that comes in sticks. >John M. Ross >Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada >jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca >----- Original Message ----- >From: "firmin1" <firmin1 at bellsouth.net> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:12 PM >Subject: Re: OT Key buttons > > >> Thanks for all the tips. I just bought a bandsaw for that purpose. I plan >> to use hot glue, so the waiting will be a bit longer between buttons. I >> have the Jaras jig, too. I am a stickler for hot glue, as that is all I >> have ever used, for 25 years now, and I am so used to it. >> So, I'll rough cut with band saw, then try to get more flush with band saw >> after gluing, then use a block plane.. >> Thanks! >> Berley Firmin II >> >Oh and rather than a block plain, after sawing, I use a belt sander. The one >inch one on a machine, with a plate. >John M. Ross >Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada >jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca >----- Original Message ----- >From: "firmin1" <firmin1 at bellsouth.net> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:12 PM >Subject: Re: OT Key buttons > > >> Thanks for all the tips. I just bought a bandsaw for that purpose. I plan >> to use hot glue, so the waiting will be a bit longer between buttons. I >> have the Jaras jig, too. I am a stickler for hot glue, as that is all I >> have ever used, for 25 years now, and I am so used to it. >> So, I'll rough cut with band saw, then try to get more flush with band saw >> after gluing, then use a block plane.. >> Thanks! >> Berley Firmin II >> >How about key leveling? > >-------------- Original message from ed440 at mindspring.com: -------------- > > >> Is anyone out there using a laser level for bench regulating? >> This afternoon I bought a Gen-Tech Laser Level from Harbor Freight ($14.99) >> The laser rotates to send a horizontal or vertical plane of light, >>very useful. >> By setting it on some wood scraps and shimming with cards I could >>easily align >> it to first and last sample hammers in a section. It was very convenient for >> setting hammer line and back checks. For some pianos it could perhaps also >> gauge let off and drop. >> Ed Sutton > >John, > >I tried also and couldn't find it. Is there an actual link?????? > >Avery > >At 08:40 PM 10/15/2006, you wrote: > >>What is a Caltrans acquisition. >>I tried logging on to the site, but didn't know where to go. >>Would it be possible, to send the actual site for the page, please? >> >>John M. Ross >>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada >><mailto:jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: <mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>Steve Blasyak >> >>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org >> >>Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:35 PM >> >>Subject: Former president Sid Stone >> >> >>Greetings from not so Sunny... but warm So. Cal. >> >> >> >>This is not piano or PTG related, it is more of a personal notice >>to the tech list readers. Our former president and dear friend to >>anyone who knows him Sid Stone is prominently displayed on the >>front page of the Orange County Register this morning (10/15). >>Unfortunately the article has nothing to do with piano work or the >>PTG. The topic is eminent domain. Not to get into politics but a >>proposition restricting eminent domain powers will be on the ballot >>in California next month. Apparently Sid and his family were the >>(victims) of a Caltrans acquisitions some 35 years ago. >> >> >> >>Well it's a sad story but anyone interested can read it online at >>OCREGESTER.COM. >> >> >> >>Steve Blasyak >> >><mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>atuneforyou at earthlink.net >> >>EarthLink Revolves Around You. >> >> >> >I've tried it, with a horizontal beam. It's not that useful; the >highest key blocks the beam for the rest of the keyboard. > >--Cy-- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:richard.ucci at att.net>richard.ucci at att.net >To: <mailto:ed440 at mindspring.com>ed440 at mindspring.com ; ><mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>Pianotech List >Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:53 PM >Subject: Re: Laser Level for Bench Regulation > >How about key leveling? > >-------------- Original message from ><mailto:ed440 at mindspring.com>ed440 at mindspring.com: -------------- > > >> Is anyone out there using a laser level for bench regulating? >> This afternoon I bought a Gen-Tech Laser Level from Harbor Freight ($14.99) >> The laser rotates to send a horizontal or vertical plane of light, >>very useful. >> By setting it on some wood scraps and shimming with cards I could >>easily align >> it to first and last sample hammers in a section. It was very convenient for >> setting hammer line and back checks. For some pianos it could perhaps also >> gauge let off and drop. >> Ed Sutton > >Hey Ed. > >You're getting pretty hi-tech there. I just do it the old-fashioned way! >Of course, I'm an old fart, too! :-D > >Avery > >At 08:24 PM 10/15/2006, you wrote: >>Is anyone out there using a laser level for bench regulating? >>This afternoon I bought a Gen-Tech Laser Level from Harbor Freight ($14.99) >>The laser rotates to send a horizontal or vertical plane of light, >>very useful. >>By setting it on some wood scraps and shimming with cards I could >>easily align it to first and last sample hammers in a section. It >>was very convenient for setting hammer line and back checks. For >>some pianos it could perhaps also gauge let off and drop. >>Ed Sutton >Go to: ><http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/investigations/caltrans2006/article_1311897.php>http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/investigations/caltrans2006/article_1311897.php > >Tom Cole > >Avery wrote: > >>John, >> >>I tried also and couldn't find it. Is there an actual link?????? >> >>Avery >> >>At 08:40 PM 10/15/2006, you wrote: >> >>>What is a Caltrans acquisition. >>>I tried logging on to the site, but didn't know where to go. >>>Would it be possible, to send the actual site for the page, please? >>> >>>John M. Ross >>>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada >>><mailto:jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>From: <mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>Steve Blasyak >>> >>>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org >>> >>>Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:35 PM >>> >>>Subject: Former president Sid Stone >>> >>> >>>Greetings from not so Sunny... but warm So. Cal. >>> >>> >>> >>>This is not piano or PTG related, it is more of a personal notice >>>to the tech list readers. Our former president and dear friend to >>>anyone who knows him Sid Stone is prominently displayed on the >>>front page of the Orange County Register this morning (10/15). >>>Unfortunately the article has nothing to do with piano work or the >>>PTG. The topic is eminent domain. Not to get into politics but a >>>proposition restricting eminent domain powers will be on the >>>ballot in California next month. Apparently Sid and his family >>>were the (victims) of a Caltrans acquisitions some 35 years ago. >>> >>> >>> >>>Well it's a sad story but anyone interested can read it online at >>>OCREGESTER.COM. >>> >>> >>> >>>Steve Blasyak >>> >>><mailto:atuneforyou at earthlink.net>atuneforyou at earthlink.net >>> >>>EarthLink Revolves Around You. >>> >>> >>> >Hi,Geoff! I have a few dozen of those aluminum cauls.I'm still a >strong proponent of Bill Spurlocks system and plastic-nylon >ones.Those aluminum ones dull knifes or razor blades quickly.. > >I got mine from a retiring technician a few years back.. Hope,it helps.. Isaac > > > > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >On Behalf Of Geoff Sykes >Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:49 AM >To: Pianotech at Ptg. Org >Subject: Looking for specific caul > > > >Greetings listers -- > > > >Attached is a photo of an aluminum balance rail caul that I recently >had the pleasure of using. This is not half of a two step caul >system. It is designed for single step caul bushing of the balance >rail. (The one in the photo is stamped .147.) The owner has four >sets, all in single step caul sizes. The problem is that she has had >them long enough that she does not remember where she purchased >them, and I cannot find them in any catalog, nor can I find any >other technician that recognizes them. Does anyone recognize this >caul, and perhaps know from where they may be purchased? > > > >-- Geoff Sykes > >-- Assoc. Los Angeles > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 > >Anne writes.. > "It is impossible to make sweeping generalizations in a complex area >such as this. Each situation, each piano is different, and education and >knowledge are the keys..... What is clear is, if you aren't sure, ask"..... > >I will ask, the 1852 Collard & Collard; is this a grand or a square grand? >Has it sat untouched for years and years and thus the original parts are >still intact? Or have many and massive repairs to the strings action and >keyboard been done over the years. If by some miracle the most of the parts >appear to be original and not worn but some of the strings are broken or >silk threads (if any) broken or parchment hinges still intact but can't >stand playing, if all of these parts are original then a museum might be >interested in purchasing and conserving it. >In the museum Ed Sutton mentioned now called the National Music Museum in >Vermillion SD they have several older keyboards mostly before 1830 but the >1852 Collard might be of interest. Their dream acquisitions are instruments >of performing quality (of their time) with as much original material as >possible. With such a specimen their idea isn't to restore it to playing >condition since conserving it as original as possible will mean more >knowledge of the parts, processes, methods of construction , and design of >its time will be preserved. If it has been repaired, rebuilt, repainted over >the years and this is in the provenance, They might try to restore it to >original condition using new duplicated parts and expect it to be played. > I could ask John Koster the conservator if he is interested in some >pictures, or Google National Music Museum, join for a year's membership >($30) to (55) and ask away. > Got any pictures? >---ric <http://www.pnotec.com/>www.pnotec.com >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of a.acker at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:15 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Antique Pianos > >Stephane, thanks for soliciting my opinions about how to deal with antique >pianos and their owners and uses. > >I have been too busy to write on this topic, as it is a huge one, and I >correctly presumed there would be heated feelings. I definitely don't have >the energy to deal with that right now. > >This is a topic obviously near and dear to my heart as I make my living >primarily with harpsichords and 18th and 19th century pianos. As part of >this, I consult and advise owners as to the choices and implications for >their individual situation and individual instrument. > >It is impossible to make sweeping generalizations in a complex area such as >this. Each situation, each piano is different, and education and knowledge >are the keys. > >For example of a need for more knowledge, somebody was remarking about >soundboards turning to dust. Well, no they really don't. I have heard 300 >year old soundboard which were quite fabulous. Now, if the instrument has >been stored in a wet barn for 200 of those years and has suffered dramatic >woodworm damage, that is another situation. > >Please note that I am not advocating restoring 300 year old rare instruments >by the prior remark. > >Nor am I criticizing the writer, for they are not completely wrong. Many >early 20th century soundboards are dead and need to be replaced. This is >rarely true of early and mid 19th century boards for various reasons. So, >this is simply a matter of more information, more knowledge. > >Anyway, there is too much to discuss here and I have no desire to get into >arguments at this time. I give talks on this topic, and myself and others >are trying to get going panel discussions and educational sessions at the >PTG conventions on this very matter. > >What is clear is, if you aren't sure, ask. Respect the instrument, respect >the owner, respect knowledge. Don't assume you know everything, for hubris >learns little and makes mistakes. If you are uncomfortable about an >antique instrument, don't degrade the instrument, refer the owner to >somebody else. > >There is plenty of work out there on non-antique pianos, so why take it on >if you don't really want to? > >Very best regards to all, > >Anne >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info ><https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives -- Sid Blum sid at sover.net
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