High tension? Low? Board stiffness? was Hammer Types

David Love kswafford at gmail.com
Fri Oct 20 13:10:17 MDT 2006


One of the problems with assessing tension in scales is illustrated  
by the data below.  The plain wire sections of the original scales on  
two pianos are listed:  Steinway B and Knabe 6’4”.  You can see that  
the range within each piano is fairly broad.  Ever wonder why you had  
such a voicing problem getting the low end of the tenor section to  
blend well with the bass on a Steinway B?  On the Knabe you can see  
that the tensions range from a low of 138 to a high of 209 lbs.  Both  
of these pianos received a bit of scale alteration.



David Love
davidlovepianos at comcast.net
www.davidlovepianos.com

Knabe 6’4”

    Note          #    Length mm                        Wire  
Size                 Tension lbs

C# - 3

29

1065.0




19.5



151

D - 3

30

1035.0




19.5



160

D# - 3

31

1005.0




19.0



161

E - 3

32

970.0




19.0



169

F - 3

33

938.0




18.5



169

F# - 3

34

901.0




18.5



175

G - 3

35

865.0




18.0



173

G# - 3

36

825.0




18.0



176

A - 3

37

785.0




17.5



170

A# - 3

38

747.0




17.5



173

B - 3

39

707.0




17.5



174

C - 4

40

667.0




17.5



174

C# - 4

41

629.0




17.5



174

D - 4

42

594.0




17.0



165

D# - 4

43

557.0




17.0



163

E - 4

44

524.0




17.0



162

F - 4

45

492.0




17.0



160

F# - 4

46

464.0




17.0



160

G - 4

47

444.0




16.5



156

G# - 4

48

427.0




16.5



162

A - 4

49

411.0




16.0



160

A# - 4

50

395.0




16.0



166

B - 4

51

380.0




16.0



172

C - 5

52

365.0




16.0



178

C# - 5

53

350.0




16.0



184

D - 5

54

334.0




16.0



188

D# - 5

55

320.0




15.5



184

E - 5

56

305.0




15.5



187

F - 5

57

290.0




15.5



190

F# - 5

58

276.0




15.5



193

G - 5

59

264.0




15.5



198

G# - 5

60

251.0




15.5



201

A - 5

61

239.0




15.0



194

A# - 5

62

228.0




15.0



198

B - 5

63

217.0




15.0



201

C - 6

64

207.0




15.0



205

C# - 6

65

196.0




15.0



207

D - 6

66

186.0




15.0



209

D# - 6

67

176.0




14.5



198

E - 6

68

166.0




14.5



198

F - 6

69

155.0




14.5



194

F# - 6

70

145.0




14.5



190

G - 6

71

136.0




14.5



188

G# - 6

72

128.0




14.5



187

A - 6

73

121.0




14.5



187

A# - 6

74

113.0




14.0



173

B - 6

75

105.0




14.0



167

C - 4

76

99.0




14.0



167

C# - 7

77

93.0




14.0



165

D - 7

78

87.0




14.0



162

D# - 7

79

82.0




13.5



152

E - 7

80

77.0




13.5



151

F - 7

81

72.0




13.5



148

F# - 7

82

68.0




13.5



148

G - 7

83

63.0




13.5



143

G# - 7

84

60.0




13.5



145

A - 7

85

57.0




13.0



138

A# - 7

86

54.0




13.0



139

B - 7

87

51.0




13.0



139

C - 8

88

48.0




13.0



139

Steinway B

F - 2

21

1474




20.0



120

F# - 2

22

1444




20.0



129

G - 2

23

1416




19.0



127

G# - 2

24

1382




19.0



136

A - 2

25

1342




19.0



144

A# - 2

26

1311




19.0



154

B - 2

27

1277




19.0



164

C - 3

28

1219




18.0



153

C# - 3

29

1172




18.0



158

D - 3

30

1111




18.0



160

D# - 3

31

1061




18.0



164

E - 3

32

1012




18.0



167

F - 3

33

960




18.0



169

F# - 3

34

911




18.0



171

G - 3

35

864




18.0



172

G# - 3

36

819




17.0



157

A - 3

37

776




17.0



158

A# - 3

38

735




17.0



159

B - 3

39

697




17.0



161

C - 4

40

658




17.0



161

C# - 4

41

621




17.0



161

D - 4

42

590




17.0



163

D# - 4

43

557




17.0



163

E - 4

44

525




17.0



163

F - 4

45

498




17.0



164

F# - 4

46

470




17.0



164

G - 4

47

445




17.0



165

G# - 4

48

422




16.5



158

A - 4

49

401




16.5



161

A# - 4

50

382




16.5



164

B - 4

51

363




16.5



166

C - 5

52

333




16.5



157

C# - 5

53

320




16.0



154

D - 5

54

306




16.0



158

D# - 5

55

295




16.0



165

E - 5

56

282




16.0



169

F - 5

57

268




16.0



171

F# - 5

58

252




16.0



170

G - 5

59

240




15.5



164

G# - 5

60

228




15.5



166

A - 5

61

217




15.5



169

A# - 5

62

205




15.5



169

B - 5

63

194




15.5



170

C - 6

64

185




15.5



173

C# - 6

65

175




15.0



165

D - 6

66

166




15.0



166

D# - 6

67

157




15.0



167

E - 6

68

150




15.0



171

F - 6

69

138




15.0



163

F# - 6

70

131




15.0



164

G - 6

71

126




14.5



161

G# - 6

72

120




14.5



164

A - 6

73

113




14.5



163

A# - 6

74

107




14.5



164

B - 6

75

102




14.0



158

C - 4

76

96




14.0



157

C# - 7

77

91




14.0



158

D - 7

78

85




14.0



155

D# - 7

79

81




13.5



149

E - 7

80

76




13.5



147

F - 7

81

72




13.5



148

F# - 7

82

68




13.5



148

G - 7

83

65




13.0



143

G# - 7

84

61




13.0



141

A - 7

85

57




13.0



138

A# - 7

86

55




13.0



144

B - 7

87

53




13.0



150

C - 8

88

52




13.0



163




-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On  
Behalf Of Erwinspiano at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:14 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: High tension? Low? Board stiffness? was Hammer Types


    Hi Alan

    You asked  about 20 questions but I'm answering only a couple.   
Ronsen Wurzen hammers are very consistent.

I base this on having used a dozen or more sets.  SO the difference  
is in the soundboard system/scaling/down bearing etc.

   I think of high tension low tension in terms of plain wire.   
Steinway scales , models S,M,l,O & the A's as 160 ish lbs per string  
on the plain wire.  Models B,C,D have higher tension in the 180's or  
higher or tensions that spike high like the C into the 190's.

   Other scale heads will have more to offer than this.

   As far as no. of ribs in general the more the merrier. Rather have  
too much support than not enough.  You have to start paying attention  
to this stuff so you can begin to draw some general conclusion your  
self.  How many ribs how tall etc. where are the cut outs.  And  
remember most of the boards you will see are compression crowned so  
how do you quantify that? Not!

   Dale's general rule of thumb is that the stiffer the hammer  
requeiremnts the stiffer the soundboard & vice verse.

   On the Wurzens you thought needed a thin dilution of  juice. The  
lightest solution would probably give you enough of what you were  
after without adverse effect or wait for a years hard playing.

   So may question so little time

   Dale

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