No doubt, Duaine, there is plenty of that attitude. But to be fair you should also say there is plenty of attitude on the opposite end of the scale as well. It continually amazes me when I see top rebuilders on tuners on the planet freely share on this list information that has cost them dearly. As for your comments regarding tunings: I started out using a quartz band instrument tuner to set C4-C5, then tuned the rest of the piano using octaves by ear. After hitting a couple of PTG seminars I learned about 3rds, 4ths, and 5ths, and I started listening for those progressions. This helped me tune much better octaves, of course. I tuned this way for 15 years and made lots of people happy, including my father who played professionally in the Big Bands and my mother who was classically trained and had an MA. But it was inadequate. I moved on to RCT on the laptop then on the PDA which definitely took the tunings up a notch or two. Further involvement with the Guild made me want to take the test so I began studying how to do an aural temperament. I got to where I felt I could do a pretty decent job of it, even tweaking where RCT said it should be. Now I use Tune Lab on the PDA and usually the Vallotti-Young well temperament. Honestly, most of my tunings are 100% Tune Lab. But studying the aural side of it has allowed me to make tweaks and adjustments and I am happier with my tunings than ever (recently I put 3 temperaments on an older short Kawai grand before finding one I could live with). 90% of my customers could care less. But I have more confidence in my tunings than ever and am deriving much more satisfaction in my work. Now I am not listening so much for "in-tuneness" but the sweetness that comes when harmonics line up. I suspect, after tuning as long as you have, you are doing more subconscious aural testing than you realize. If you would allow yourself to study the interval side a little more you may find an ability to make some alterations for things you previously felt you had to live with. Dean Dean May cell 812.239.3359 PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 Terre Haute IN 47802 -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Duaine & Laura Hechler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:29 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: [pianotech] Final word on this subject I quit the organization because of the pompous attitude that if your not an RPT, your nothing. I quit the organization because of the pompous attitude that unless you are servicing grands, you nothing. As far as ETD's, my mentor of 30 years, who - is - an RPT, is now tuning exclusively with Cybertuner, reported that all of his customers reported that the pianos have never sounded better. Enough said, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler at charter.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years
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