It might be worthwhile to point out the REAL rules for advertisement of PTG membership. James, you're right that you can advertise membership in PTG, but ONLY if you include your registration status (Registered Piano Technician or Associate Member). Whether in print or online, the letters of that wording cannot be any smaller than the words "Piano Technicians Guild" (excluding the logo, because it is designed that way). It's not ok to advertise PTG membership without including your membership status. Also, Associate Members are restricted from using the PTG logo or emblem. That rule took effect December 31, 2007. No one outside the organization is allowed to advertise any connection or association with PTG, as it is a Registered Trademark. Hope that helps clear up some misinformation I've seen posted! -- Scott A. Helms, RPT www.helmsmusic.net > James- > > Duaine Hechler is not a member of PTG. > > Ed Sutton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pianoman" <pianoman at accessus.net> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [pianotech] RPT Credibility and "Status" > > >> Duane is the web master for the St. Louis Chapter as I understand it. . >> He does lots of work for the chapter and I believe a member of the PTG >> but >> not an RPT. As I understand it you can advertise membership in the PTG >> as >> long as you do not say you are an RPT. Duane does mostly player >> rebuilding.I was a RPT from 1972 to 2000 and dropped out and if people >> ask >> me I say I am a former PTG member without saying RPT. >> James Grebe >> Since 1962 >> Piano Tuning & Repair >> Creator of Handsome Hardwood Products( >> 314) 608-4137 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 >> Researcher of St. Louis Theatre History >> BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE! >> www.grebepiano.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andersen" <david at davidandersenpianos.com> >> To: <pianotech at ptg.org> >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] RPT Credibility and "Status" >> >> >> Wow, JF. Nice rant. Really. Sounds like me. <g> 100% correct. Duaine, >> Duaine, Duaine. You are revealing everything in your posts, and in >> what Ed Sutton discovered. I suggest you put quotation marks around >> the word "tune" or "tuning" whenever you reference your own work. >> You are not a piano tuner in any world I recognize. You are a wrench >> turner; a dial-looker, brother...not a tuner. I'm proud to be a piano >> tuner. It's a lovely, challenging, difficult skill. It's worth a life >> of effort. If you don't know why I certainly cannot tell you why, but >> I'll give you a hint: >> "Character is destiny." >> Heraclitus >> >> Rock on.... >> DA >> >> >> On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:58 AM, John Formsma wrote: >> >>> RPT is minimal competency. If you cannot tell -- and be able to >>> explain -- the difference in what constitutes a good tuning, then >>> you don't deserve the minimal competency credentials. You wouldn't >>> expect a bookkeeper to promote himself "as good as a CPA" unless he >>> had passed some sort of competency exam, right? Or a paralegal to >>> offer his services as a lawyer unless he'd been to law school and >>> passed the bar exams, right? >>> >>> Duaine, when I began tuning, I used a SAT II, and couldn't tell the >>> difference in much other than unisons. Maybe if the octaves were >>> really bad. But I joined PTG, got the help of an RPT mentor, and >>> persisted. It was really hard for me to mentally grasp the concepts >>> of regulation. But I persisted. I passed the exams. And I'm not >>> particularly proud of my personal performance on the technical >>> exams, because I know I can do better out in the "real world." But >>> I persisted, and got it done. And now, I'm still trying to improve >>> my skills. I'm still persisting. >>> >>> I have a magnetic sticker on my fridge with a quote by Henry Ford: >>> "Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right." The >>> thing that is holding you back is you: it is not test standards or >>> other techs it's just you. So if you want to have the RPT >>> credentials, quit griping and whining, and figure out how to get it >>> done. All the rest of us have done it, and you can too. But you're >>> not going to do it if you keep saying "I can't." >>> >>> -- >>> JF >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Duaine & Laura Hechler >>> <dahechler at charter.net >>> > wrote: >>> So, what you are saying that if I can't tune aurally then I should not >>> be tuning at all. >>> >>> If that's the case, you are about to start a major war between each >>> tuner's opinion. >>> >>> Again, you mention peers, sure most of my peers in this area have >>> tuned >>> aurally - to pass the test - but they have all switched to tuning with >>> some form of ETD. >>> >>> Again, you mention clients - I don't know where you are and who you >>> tune >>> for BUT none of my clients have EVER asked if I could tune aurally. >>> >>> This argument is getting so &*&^% old !!!! >>> >>> Duaine >>> >>> William Monroe wrote: >>> > No Duaine, >>> > >>> > People like you should be excluded from RPT precisely because (your >>> > description, mind you) you can't tune aurally and have no >>> > understanding of the basic tuning concepts e.g. intervals, beats, >>> > checks, etc. RPT is a designation that is defined in part by >>> > affirming to ones peers, clients, etc that one can tune aurally - at >>> > least to some measured degree, even with an ETD. >>> <snip> >>> > >>> > Good luck in your growth. >>> > >>> > William R. Monroe >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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