Joe: What's the problem other than that you sent a whole digest with your reply? dp David M. Porritt, RPT dporritt at smu.edu -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Garrett Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:15 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 153 List, It's stuff like this that keeps me in seclusion! Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (Oregon) Captain, Tool Police Squares R I > [Original Message] > From: <pianotech-request at ptg.org> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Date: 12/20/08 3:17:15 PM > Subject: pianotech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 153 > > Send pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech at ptg.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech_ptg.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request at ptg.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Baldwin Layoffs (Will Truitt) > 2. Onesti Balance hole repair system (Ryan Sowers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:54:54 -0500 > From: "Will Truitt" <surfdog at metrocast.net> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Baldwin Layoffs > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Message-ID: <000f01c962ed$976f8850$c64e98f0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > HI Shawn: > > > > Of course, if we compare Gib-Ron's antics to those sociopathic Lords of the > Universe on Wall Street who've pocketed the $350 Billion without spreading > it around to restart lending and who are still giving out literally Billions > in bonuses, I guess it's small potatoes. And compare it to a Treasury > Secretary who gave it to them with no strings attached, who just happened to > be the CEO of Goldman Sachs until 2006. It's my guess he'll go back to Wall > Street after January 20, with hundreds of millions in signing bonuses, which > will probably come from YOUR money, as in part of the $350 billion we gave > them. We do live in Interesting Times. > > > > Will Truitt > > > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Shawn Brock > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:54 AM > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Baldwin Layoffs > > > > Yes Sir, > > > > you understand it! That is the thing that I could never get past when it > comes to Gibson. They would march into these mom and pop businesses and say > "You can't be a dealer of our products anymore unless you place an order of > $100000 or more." That was a dumb thing to do in my opinion! One day they > will live to regret the way they handle things... It also seems that Gibson > don't give a damn about the American worker or consumer, as long as they can > push the useless overpriced goods into the American consumers hands that is. > One can buy a custom string instrument from a person who makes it by hand > for the same price you can buy something made on the Gibson CNC. At least > the custom builder will owner the life time warrantee. > > > > Best, > > Shawn Brock, RPT > > 513-316-0563 > > www.shawnbrock.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Will Truitt <mailto:surfdog at metrocast.net> > > To: pianotech at ptg.org > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Baldwin Layoffs > > > > Hi Shawn: > > > > As a former Baldwin dealer who was taken out into the "Killing Fields" in > April 2002 by Gibson along with over 300 other dealers and had my "dealer" > throat slit by them, I can certainly share many of your sentiments. They > were kind enough to let me be a dealer again if I gave them a $300,000 > order, but I declined. I have never understood how dumping 90% of your > dealers after the company you just bought had gone through Chapter 7 > bankruptcy and the economy was in decline after 9/11, but who am I to judge? > And they certainly have an industry wide reputation for playing dirty as you > show. And I also know vendors that they have refused to pay in the past. > So if Henry Juscowitz (who owns Gibson and Baldwin) loses his shirt, I won't > shed any tears either. > > > > Still, I repeat that it is a sad moment. First, we have lost another > manufacturer of pianos on American soil, and we were once the envy of the > world for our piano production. Secondly, it is real people who are losing > their jobs, and it is having a profound effect on their lives. Some have > suggested here that this is due to unionization, but I think one would be > hard pressed to compare the average piano worker to the auto worker for > benefits and wages. And the underlying issues are far broader and more > complex than that. > > > > When I was a Baldwin dealer prior to the bankruptcy, I worked with a great > many really capable, competent, and hard working people within the company. > It genuinely distressed me to see them lose their jobs, because they were > good people and they weren't the reason the company was failing. That I > would attribute to upper management that couldn't take its head out of its > butt long enough to see what was going on, and a Board of Director that > allowed this to go on for several years. > > > > I would not be surprised if we see Baldwin Artist Grands being made in China > in the coming months. > > > > Will Truitt > > > > > > > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Shawn Brock > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:33 AM > To: hpp at highpointpiano.com; pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Baldwin Layoffs > > > > Yep, > > > > that sounds like the Baldwin I know. One of the lousy things about living > in Cincinnati is we sure have a lot of Baldwin products left over from the > days when they actually built pianos here. One of my favorite customers is > the granddaughter of DH Baldwin. She has 2 7 foots in her living room. Its > fun to hear stories about the company from her. She had told me once that > she understood that things just don't last and she was proud of all the > company did before being bought by Gibson. Other than the American job loss > it doesn't bother me in the slightest that Baldwin is going under yet again. > If all of Gibson went belly up it wouldn't matter to me. I would sure feel > bad for anyone who would be out of a job, but other than that its all okay. > Gibson thought they could both save the musical instrument market and > control the world of instrument making. The closing of Baldwin just shows > they can't. Gibson has tried to put almost every American maker of musical > instruments out of business by suing on the grounds of trademark > infringement. I'm not just talking about the major companies like PRS and > CF Martin, they have drug people into court who only make 12 to 15 > instruments a year. Knowing the small time makers could not fight them, > they neither had the money or the power to put up a struggle. I disliked > the Gibson company so much that I turned down offers for 4 years for an > endorsement. I stuck with the custom builders and told them to "go to > hell!" Any how... > > > > Regards, > > Shawn Brock, RPT > > 513-316-0563 > > www.shawnbrock.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Garret Traylor <mailto:hpp at highpointpiano.com> > > To: pianotech at ptg.org > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Baldwin Layoffs > > > > Hummmm, I would not hold my breath for Baldwin to stay in business. A > customer of mine has in the past provided Baldwin with legs and lid props > but Baldwin is not paying their bill so they will not be getting the legs. > Does that sound like a company planning to stay in business? BTW, I will > offer details and pics in a few days if any of you are interested in > purchasing them. > > Kindest Regards, > > Garret > > --- > > Garret Traylor - President > > High Point Piano & Music Inc. > > 88-PIANO (336) 887-4266 > > P Go Green! Print this email only when necessary. Thank you for helping High > Point Music be environmentally responsible. > > > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Paul McCloud > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:43 PM > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Baldwin Layoffs > > > > Baldwin may have laid off some of their work force, but they're still in > business. They'll be at NAMM next month. > > > > Paul McCloud > > San D eggo > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20081220/182a2857/at tachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:17:06 -0800 (PST) > From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at yahoo.com> > Subject: [pianotech] Onesti Balance hole repair system > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Message-ID: <876931.45454.qm at web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I emailed Ralph Onesti and he didn't seem to get what I was talking about with not needing all the extra pilots. He doesn't seem to want to sell the tool without all of them. I tried to clarify so I'll see what his response. is. > > This leads me to wonder about using the Schaff tool that I have using David Love's method with gluing the punchings on the bottom of the keys. The cutter I have works pretty well, its the little fiber inserts that are a pain in the #$*!?@! That system would work much better if the inserts were made of maple or some other hardwood. I was reading that lemon wood is a great material for this because it is naturally lubricious. (I love that word!). > > I'm going to try making some inserts that will work with my Schaff tool and see how that works. I'll have to see if I have a plug cutter that is the right size. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20081220/d331b4a9/at tachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech mailing list > pianotech at ptg.org > http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech_ptg.org > > > End of pianotech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 153 > ***************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/08 10:09 AM
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