[pianotech] Tuning hammer technique (was satisfied but persistentcustomer)

Geoff Sykes thetuner at ivories52.com
Mon Dec 29 21:00:36 PST 2008


I actually have a copy of this book. Thanks for the reference. I will give
it another browse. 
 
My concern is about OVER pounding. Yes, a pound or two to stabilize and
render the string is usually a standard procedure in tuning. But pounding
too much, while it may allow one to get that particular sting "in tune",
frequently does NOT produce a stable tuning. My concern in over pounding is
that I know that while the piano may be in tune when I leave, it will
probably not stay there for long. And what I am experiencing with this
proves that point. Hence my concern, and my posting of this situation here. 
 
-- G
 



• Geoff Sykes, RPT
• 626-799-7545
• www.ivories52.com <http://www.ivories52.com/>  

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From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Bruce Dornfeld
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:54 PM
To: pianotech
Subject: [pianotech] Tuning hammer technique (was satisfied but
persistentcustomer)





 
Seasons greetings to all of my friends here!
 
Many great suggestions were made to help Geoff's problem with a piano that
is difficult to tune, but one line was not pursued.  That is the tuning
hammer technique used to tune this kind of piano.  Please don't think that I
assume you have poor technique; extreme pianos will sometimes require
extreme techniques, not better ones, just different ones.  Most of us
develop a hammer technique that we pretty much use all of the time.
Experienced tuners develop further techniques to tune different pianos, some
consciously, others subconsciously.  While we never like tuning pins that
are too tight, this string rendering problem is more difficult.   Daniel
Bowman, RPT wrote a series of articles in the Journal in the early 1990s
called "The Marshmallow Zone."  He says "When you turn the pin but the
string doesn't follow and you can't tell where the string tension is or
whether the pin foot is in the correct position, that's the Marshmallow
Zone."  Daniel's articles are worth rereading.
 
Ken Burton, RPT  wrote a book called "Different Strokes" subtitled "Hammer
Techniques for Piano Technicians".  It is the only place I have seen twenty
different techniques that have proved useful to many different technicians
over the years.  This book is available for $19.95 from Randy Potter, see
http://www.pianotuning.com/products/books.htm.  You say that you find
pounding a lot helps to stabilize the pitch.  If you find yourself moving
the tuning pins after this and repeating, you know the pin wasn't in the
right place to begin with.  Coordinated pounding while turning the pin can
help.
 
There is simply too much material that could be covered here for me to try
to write about it all.  Some of the techniques in Burton's book that would
apply to this type of piano include: "Change the Clock" which refers to the
hammer position on the pin, "The Grand Heintzman Yank" which is a kind of
jerk technique, "The Steady Pull" and "The Karate Chop" which need no
further explanation.  They would require a good reading, testing, and
practice.
 
I'm not sure if I'm saying too much or way too little, but it's all I have
time for tonight.
Have a wonderful and prosperous new year!
 
 
Bruce Dornfeld, RPT
bdornfeld at earthlink.net
North Shore Chapter
 
Bruce Dornfeld, RPT
bdornfeld at earthlink.net
847-498-0379
 



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