Well, actually I quite agree with your statements. I just wonder why it is that I so often hear what I originally stated...... Terry Farrell On Aug 7, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Gerald Groot wrote: > For me, if a piano is even 1 cent off for a fine tuning, that's a lot. > > I've used RCT for a couple of years now and while I like it a great > deal, it does not put a fine enough tuning on a pitch raised piano > to a qualified tuning ear. A second fine tuning pass is always > needed unless the piano is maybe only a couple of cents off or so. > Of, if the person behind the machine just figures "good enough" and > I don't do that. I guess what I'm saying is this. Perhaps to an > unqualified ear, it would sound "good enough" but to a qualified ear > that can hear the difference, it will not and should not be good > enough. > > Each piano tunes differently and must be compensated for in a > different manner in some way or another with not only a pitch raise > but with a fine tuning as well. When we tune a lousy good for > nothing piano, often times we compensate say, a 3rd for a better > sounding 5th or visa versa for a better sounding octave. > > Plus, RCT and all machines do not always pick up on the correct > readings as they should. Especially on the cheap end pianos. And, > they do not always listen to what they should be listening for which > means, it remains up to us to be able to tell the difference and > then to be able to know what to do about it. > > Jer > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] > On Behalf Of Terry Farrell > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:24 PM > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > > How can that be true? From what I hear, Cybertuner can calculate > offsets on any and every piano to within a couple of cents from any > degree of flatness - such that a second, fine tuning pass, is not > needed. > > Terry Farrell > > On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Piano Boutique wrote: > > > Another William adding a thought. > > It has been my experience that pulling a piano sharp for a pitch > raise, is not as cut and dried as one might think. To begin with a > Baldwin, especially the studios hardly fall at all. On the other > hand there is Wurlitzer and Kimball that fall considerably. > Finally, there are the American Aeolian spinets that, well, you get > the drift. > > There is just my take on the fact that every piano is different as > well as the tuner handling the problem. > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Groot > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > > William. I agree. A machine isn't everything and no matter how > hard we try, the human ear is awfully hard to beat in the end. > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] > On Behalf Of William Monroe > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:36 PM > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit > > Dare I.......... > > Satisfaction, Duaine. A desire to be better. A realization that > for some, the craft, the process of creating is also fulfilling. > And it provides an opportunity to grow. Why tax oneself? I study > the Tae Kwon Do, and no matter how good I get, there will always be > room for improvement, personal growth, professional growth. Without > stress, and strain, there is no improvement. In my life, repetition > is meaningless without concurrent improvement and growth. It's what > satisfies me. It's not wasteful for those who gain something from > the process. > > I think I wrote this for me....... > > William R. Monroe > > > a440a wrote: > > I have simplified my life. I use the SAT <snip> I tune 88 notes to > > the top. It works well, its fast, and will produce a performance > > level tuning 98% of the time. > > Regards, > > -- > > Ed Foote RPT > > > > > SNIP > > BINGO!! THEN - WHY - waste / stress / strain your ears doing COMPLETE > aural tunings. > > SNIP > > Regards, Duaine > > > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 090806-1, 08/06/2009 > Tested on: 8/6/2009 11:47:54 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 090807-0, 08/07/2009 > Tested on: 8/7/2009 4:47:29 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20090807/e5ef4df4/attachment-0001.htm>
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