No one is going to claim they did their best tuning with a one pass pitch raise. Certainly, it may be just fine in some situations. I, as I have mentioned numerous times to your incredulity, do not overpull on pitch raises. I tune unisons as I go and I just don't get this 25% drop everyone else is getting. I'd rather not bring the string past its normal tension...thus a 2 pass tuning when a pitch raise is necessary... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Terry Farrell" <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 8/7/2009 1:56:09 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit >Well, actually I quite agree with your statements. I just wonder why >it is that I so often hear what I originally stated...... >Terry Farrell >On Aug 7, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Gerald Groot wrote: >> For me, if a piano is even 1 cent off for a fine tuning, that's a lot. >> >> I've used RCT for a couple of years now and while I like it a great >> deal, it does not put a fine enough tuning on a pitch raised piano >> to a qualified tuning ear. A second fine tuning pass is always >> needed unless the piano is maybe only a couple of cents off or so. >> Of, if the person behind the machine just figures "good enough" and >> I don't do that. I guess what I'm saying is this. Perhaps to an >> unqualified ear, it would sound "good enough" but to a qualified ear >> that can hear the difference, it will not and should not be good >> enough. >> >> Each piano tunes differently and must be compensated for in a >> different manner in some way or another with not only a pitch raise >> but with a fine tuning as well. When we tune a lousy good for >> nothing piano, often times we compensate say, a 3rd for a better >> sounding 5th or visa versa for a better sounding octave. >> >> Plus, RCT and all machines do not always pick up on the correct >> readings as they should. Especially on the cheap end pianos. And, >> they do not always listen to what they should be listening for which >> means, it remains up to us to be able to tell the difference and >> then to be able to know what to do about it. >> >> Jer >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf Of Terry Farrell >> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:24 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit >> >> How can that be true? From what I hear, Cybertuner can calculate >> offsets on any and every piano to within a couple of cents from any >> degree of flatness - such that a second, fine tuning pass, is not >> needed. >> >> Terry Farrell >> >> On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Piano Boutique wrote: >> >> >> Another William adding a thought. >> >> It has been my experience that pulling a piano sharp for a pitch >> raise, is not as cut and dried as one might think. To begin with a >> Baldwin, especially the studios hardly fall at all. On the other >> hand there is Wurlitzer and Kimball that fall considerably. >> Finally, there are the American Aeolian spinets that, well, you get >> the drift. >> >> There is just my take on the fact that every piano is different as >> well as the tuner handling the problem. >> >> William >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gerald Groot >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit >> >> William. I agree. A machine isn't everything and no matter how >> hard we try, the human ear is awfully hard to beat in the end. >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf Of William Monroe >> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:36 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Attention Ed Foote - Pitch raising limit >> >> Dare I.......... >> >> Satisfaction, Duaine. A desire to be better. 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