[pianotech] Bobbling hammers and jack spring pressure?

Jlmatt at aol.com Jlmatt at aol.com
Wed Jan 21 23:30:42 PST 2009


Paul, 
I jumped in when I saw that Gregor mentionned dry air. I'm not saying that  
all cases of boobling hammers are due to a drying and sinking kebed but I can  
testify, after working several years for a local dealer, that a lot of new  
Yamahas uprights would be fine upon arrival but start getting bobbling  hammers 
after a couple of months on the floor. The only way to fix that problem  was 
to raise the key height one way or another. I don't know whether it was the  
keybed, the punchings, the keys themselves, but the key height had  become too 
low and the regulation was gone. 
Jean-Luc
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2009 12:03:25 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com writes:

Jean-Luc:
 
Realize that what you are doing is increasing aftertouch (by raising the  
overall key height at the balance rail) which is the distance the jack  travels 
after escapement. The bobbling in this instance is caused by zero or  negative 
aftertouch, and the hammer butt is bouncing off the jack top (which  is not 
escaping) and "bobbling". I find it hard to believe that "new  pianos" suffer a 
general defect like this simply because of low humidity.  

Paul
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2009 12:22:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
Jlmatt at aol.com writes:

We have to deal with bobbling hammers in new pianos quite often after  they 
arrive here in the dry climate of New Mexico. but the jack spring has  nothing 
to do with it.
Raising the balance rail usually takes care of that problem. Try it on  one 
key, raise it with a couple of paper punchings, and reajust the lost  motion, 
and if that helps, then you can do it on all the keys quickly by  shimming the 
balance rail with a a few business cards or something
Good luck 
Jean-Luc
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2009 9:23:36 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
karlkaputt at hotmail.com writes:

List,

is there a way to ease the jack spring? I have  problems with a Yamaha P121N 
upright that has bobbling hammers. The hammer  butt is dancing on the jack 
tip. All regulation measures are okay and  there is enough aftertouch. I suspect 
the jack spring being too strong.  Any thoughts how to get it right? 

There is no lost motion, check  is about 15 mm, aftertouch is okay and I gave 
some talkum powder to the  jack tip and the let off button. The only thing 
that helped was to set the  let off to 10 mm, but that´s not a satisfying 
solution. The strange thing  is that one could play without bobbling hammers but 
something makes the  player stop pressing down the key before the let off point. 
A very subtile  resistance gives the player a hint that the key is pressed 
down now, but  that´s not right. The player could and should press further on. 
The  strange thing is that this problem is new for a few days. I should mention  
that we had very dry air last weeks and the customer has a floor heating.  
Therefore I suspect a connection between this problem and the dry  air.

Any comments?

Gregor

 
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