[pianotech] Diaphragmizing

Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 25 13:55:09 PST 2009


Ron Nossaman" wrote Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:28 PM

<snip> Rebuilding with an existing board, thinning the bass (or
channeling like Overs and Seiler) can be very worthwhile.

Can you explain how you do that?

Al

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Subject: Re: [pianotech] Diaphragmizing

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>
>> Many people do it and the practice has been Steinways for some time.  I'm
>> curious about when Steinway actually started the practice and since I
>> haven't taken out many Steinway soundboards that are newer I'm curious 
>> what
>> their current practice is and whether other makers historically have
>> employed this practice.  I always thin the boards I do in the bass 
>> section
>> graduating down to about 5 mm by the time one gets to the edge.  But 
>> farther
>> up on the bent side and in the treble I don't, neither at the belly rail.
>> While I understand the idea of creating greater flexibility in the bass
>> section for those low frequencies I'm wondering what the reasoning would 
>> be
>> for thinning higher up in the scale.  Also, if one is installing a 
>> cut-off
>> bar, as I do, then were you to thin the perimeter it presents some 
>> questions
>> about how to treat the cutoff area in the case where, as I tend to do, 
>> not
>> cut the panel there but leave it whole.  Early Steinway pianos that I 
>> have
>> taken apart don't seem to be thinned in that area and the thinning in the
>> bass section is less pronounced.  David Love
>
> The Diaphragmatic patents are 1935 #2,051,633, and 1937 #2,070,391. Nearly 
> as I can tell from the patent texts, it's magic, as the descriptions don't 
> seem to say much that's coherent other than it increases flexibility at 
> the edges.
>
> In compression crowned boards, like Steinway's, it may improve sound 
> initially, but will also increase compression stress levels in the, now 
> thinner, panel and further shorten the life of the assembly. I see no 
> rational reason to thin a panel in the treble.
>
> For the most part, I've found it to be unnecessary if I get to put in one 
> of my boards. I don't use a thick high grain density panel, and can more 
> easily float the bass than thin it. Rebuilding with an existing board, 
> thinning the bass (or channeling like Overs and Seiler) can be very 
> worthwhile.
>
> Ron N
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