[pianotech] bass or plainsteel strings?

Michael Magness IFixPianos at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 16 07:50:37 MDT 2009


On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> That I didn't know or inquire about...it's a good idea.   I'm paying $17.95
> for a single string + shipping.   What are they charging you for both
> strings?   Personally, I like to use Arledge, for bass strings but he's slow
> and doesn't like to take measurements over the phone...so for the occasional
> string Mapes is very efficient...
>
> David Ilvedson, RPT
> Pacifica, CA  94044
>
> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
>  From: "Michael Magness" <IFixPianos at yahoo.com>
> To: ilvey at sbcglobal.net; pianotech at ptg.org
> Received: 7/15/2009 3:25:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] bass or plainsteel strings?
>
>
> >On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:51 PM, David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Give up on the Universal strings.   Take measurements, call Mapes or
> >> favorite string maker...get the string within a week and do it right.
> You
> >> can still tune at the first appointment and come back to install the
> string.
> >>   I give them a price including part, shipping and the installation
> >> appointment.   If you have a ringing damper...I've temporarily installed
> a
> >> flat damper or they can tough it out...
> >>
> >> David Ilvedson, RPT
> >> Pacifica, CA  94044
> >>
> >> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> >> From: "Noah Frere" <noahfrere at gmail.com>
> >> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> >> Received: 7/15/2009 2:25:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] bass or plainsteel strings?
> >>
> >>
> >> >Thanks for your reply. I have also been increasingly dissatisfied with
> >> >Universal Strings. However, even ordering specific strings often pose
> >> >troubled matches I've noticed lately. If I receive one more poorly
> matched
> >> >string, I'm going to order both bichords...
> >> >Anyway, I should also have known that since 2 complete notes were out,
> >> there
> >> >would be no chance of replacing with Universals, since I need 2 pairs.
> >> These
> >> >were indeed copperwound, and I'm afraid since they're at the break that
> >> the
> >> >tension may be a bit high. I will ask the stringmaker if he can do
> >> something
> >> >about that. I did not measure the adjacent strings.
> >>
> >> >On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Joe DeFazio <defaziomusic at verizon.net
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Hi Noah,
> >> >> As David Porritt mentioned, the hitch pins (and the bridge pins) will
> >> tell
> >> >> you if you have a bichord or a trichord.  However, some cheaper
> American
> >> >> pianos of that era (and Currier certainly counts as cheap!) use both
> >> wound
> >> >> bichords and steel bichords in the low tenor.  So, if you see copper
> >> >> bichords to the left and steel bichords to the right, you will have
> to
> >> look
> >> >> carefully at the surfaces of the damper felt and hammer strike point,
> >> where
> >> >> the difference will most likely be discernible.
> >> >>
> >> >> If copper is the "correct answer," I would advise against using
> >> universal
> >> >> strings, which one of my friends calls "universally wrong."  They
> never
> >> >> match in timbre, and their inharmonicity is usually so wildly
> different
> >> that
> >> >> they don't tune well with their neighbors.  Why "fix" a piano so that
> it
> >> >> sounds even worse than it did before it broke? (Yes, for the wise
> guys
> >> out
> >> >> there, it is indeed possible for even a Currier to sound worse than
> it
> >> did
> >> >> when new!)
> >> >>
> >> >> If you make accurate and precise measurements of the speaking length
> >> (hitch
> >> >> to speaking bridge pin length, hitch to upper termination, hitch to
> >> tuning
> >> >> pin) of the missing strings and their lower neighbors, as well as
> core
> >> and
> >> >> wrap diameters for the lower neighbors, plus twist length near the
> hitch
> >> pin
> >> >> loop, a good string maker ought to be able to scale and manufacture
> new
> >> >> strings which will sound much better than universals.  If four
> strings
> >> in a
> >> >> row broke, though, that may be a clue that the original scaling was
> >> >> improper.  Ask the string maker to double-check the breaking
> percentage
> >> of
> >> >> the newly designed strings before manufacturing them, and to adjust a
> >> little
> >> >> for safety if necessary.  You probably don't want to have the new
> >> strings
> >> >> break just like the old....
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe DeFazio
> >> >> Pittsburgh
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> > I agree with the others about the universal strings. I use Mapes, I have
> >them on the speed dial of my cell phone so I can call the specs of the
> >string in from the piano.
> >Also I have noticed that Mapes usually offers a deal on the pair when it's
> >one string in a unison, since the new string will have a better tone than
> >the old, they recommend replacing both and give you a deal on the price of
> >both.
>
> >Mike
> >--
> >I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
> >Steven Wright
>
>
> >Michael Magness
> >Magness Piano Service
> >608-786-4404
> >www.IFixPianos.com <http://www.ifixpianos.com/>
> >email mike at ifixpianos.com
>


 Hi David,

I haven't needed one for a while now. The $17.95 sounds about right for the
first one, depending on copper prices but then the second one will usually
be about 1/2 that. They make the strings same day if it's before 11 or next
day if it's after and ship priority mail so you usually have it in about 5
days. I also like Mapes because you get to talk to the guy who's going to
make the string. If you're having a problem they sometimes have suggestions.
I had a new Kawai, Kawai sends all of their scalings to Mapes for warranty
string replacements, in a church with VERY heavy handed pianist. She broke
the same unison strings twice! The guy at Mapes suggested making the string
with a thicker core wire and slightly thinner wrap so it would be the same
weight, just tougher to break. I told him to try it, I put the pair in and
they are still there today!

Mike
-- 
I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
Steven Wright


Michael Magness
Magness Piano Service
608-786-4404
www.IFixPianos.com
email mike at ifixpianos.com
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