Craig's List page noted by Tom Driscoll has been taken down. Too bad, always
good to start the day with a laugh.
Myrna Rybczyk
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1. Re: Dampers (Roy)
2. Re: Floating bridge.... (John Ross)
3. Re: Cleaning smoke from upright action (William Monroe)
4. O.T. posting .Funny .Another craigs list ad. (Tom Driscoll)
5. Re: time warp (Israel Stein)
6. Re: Floating bridge with a difference (pianoguru at cox.net)
7. Re: repetition springs with cords (pianoguru at cox.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:05:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Roy <roy.peters at mindspring.com>
To: Rob McCall <rob at mccallpiano.com>, pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dampers
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Thanks Rob:
I actually have a Blackberry. I think that the original poster had an
iPhone. I'll see if I can find something in the signature settings. Also,
I'm sure there are forums for this sort of thing. I'll look into it.
Roy
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob McCall <rob at mccallpiano.com>
>Sent: Jun 10, 2009 1:14 PM
>To: Roy <roy.peters at mindspring.com>, pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dampers
>
>Roy,
>
>I'll help you out!
>
>On your iPhone go to the "Settings" icon. Then scroll down to where
>it says "Mail, Contacts, Calendars".
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:33:44 -0300
From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Floating bridge....
Message-ID: <11B73E31A83A4C7FA87E2E0EB913BF89 at john1bf82a3fe4>
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I think it is Scotland.
Glasgow to Edinburgh.
John Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Porritt, David" <dporritt at mail.smu.edu>
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Floating bridge....
Paul:
East to West coast of England!
dp
David M. Porritt, RPT
dporritt at smu.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of pgmilkie at juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:51 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Floating bridge....
Only 45 minutes on the fast train (125 mph) from east coast to west coast.
Now how many piano techs do you know who travel that fast to work?
Please explain what east coast to what west coast.
NY to Calif. takes several hours flying and the plain is traveling faster
than (125mph).
Thank you,
Paul milkie
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:44:13 -0500
From: William Monroe <bill at a440piano.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Cleaning smoke from upright action
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Hi Elwood,
I posted this to CAUT just moments ago for a fire restoration, but much is
pertinent to you. I'd guess this will be a situation in which they may be
willing to "risk" whatever corrosion problems may present themselves on down
the road, so probably you can simply do with using DeGreaseAll with 9D9, and
maybe use the SmokeSolv Creme Wood Restorer for the exterior. But, the rest
is perhaps worthwhile information so:
A smoke damage restoration is a big job. It can be done, and you should
take care to do it well, and with appropriate caveats. AIt is possible for
some trouble to appear on down the road with corrosion of strings, etc.,
that you can not predict. Can not, no way, no how. And, it might never be
a problem. So there are many levels to which you can take this kind of
work, the two (reasonable) extremes in my opinion:
Option 1: Full restoration - this is really the only way to be able to make
any real guarantees about the end product. Basically tear the piano down,
keeping the block, board and bridges, clean in that condition, and then
restring, new dampers, etc. One could make the argument that even glue
joints may be suspect, and one should therefore not guarantee those parts
against failure. Probably appropriate, and in this case probably reasonable
to suggest proceeding with a restoration, saying this doesn't appear to be a
problem, but never a guarantee.
Option 2: Clean as is, disassemble only to the point of removal of all case
parts, action removed for cleaning, etc., but no real replacement of parts,
just cleaning thoroughly. There are a number of products made by the
Unsmoke company. I get them from a regional supplier as I don't have a
local source, but you may. I order them from JonDon. see:
http://www.jondon.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=82_2478&osCsid=9c5d2026d2fff
676b128e0d8726e7dde
also:
http://www.jondon.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=82_2480&osCsid=1040608be3c3d
65efe5fddb05be30a54
There are different products for different odor sources (electrical fire,
refrigerator with meat smells, etc. - choose accordingly). My short list
includes the following:
-Dry Cleaning Sponges - Use first to wipe down all casework, finished or
unfinished parts - removes soot and other residue
-Degrease-All - Use second, everywhere. Mix and use to wipe all unfinished"
things (underside or the back, and inside cabinet); it can be mixed with:
-9D9: Odor control - Wood and Synthetic Fires
-Double O: Odor control - Organics, Protein Odors
-SmokeSolv Wood Creme Restorer - Use on all finished surfaces.
-C.O.C crystals: Ambient passive odor removal
-Space Spray: Very strong, kind of a last resort odor eliminator
That should get you started. It is many, many hours of scrubbing, rubbing,
etc. As I mentioned, there are many places along the path that one could
call "good enough," and it's up to you and the clients to decide where that
is, knowing the advantages and pitfalls of any suggested approach. With
this kind of job, I tend to believe more towards Option one is preferable.
Nothing is more displeasing than paying a lot of money for smoke restoration
and ending up with a piano that still smells faintly of smoke.
My opinion,
William R. Monroe
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Elwood Doss, Jr. <edoss at charter.net> wrote:
> Any suggestions about cleaning cigarette smoke odor from the inside of a
> piano? How about spraying Odo-ban on the action and lightly on
> strings/soundboard? What about using an ozone machine if one can be
found?
> What say ye?
>
> Joy!
>
> Elwood
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:58:17 -0400
From: "Tom Driscoll" <tomtuner at verizon.net>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
Subject: [pianotech] O.T. posting .Funny .Another craigs list ad.
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Sometimes they make you say-- WHAT?
Tom Driscoll
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/1215637237.html
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:07:28 -0700
From: Israel Stein <custos3 at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] time warp
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Ed Sutton wrote:
> Last week I received an e-mail message that had been sent on April 11th!
> Where was it?
> ES
Ed,
In the so-called "bit bucket". At least that's what bona-fide certified
nerds call it. It seems that the "internet" (which is basically a
worldwide network of lots of computers through which data - including
e-mail - sort of finds its way using agreed-upon protocols to its
destination) has all kinds of virtual nooks and crannies that "swallow
up" messages - and sometimes spit them out months or even years later,
and sometimes never. Or maybe years after we are all dead and buried
some of those messages will show up at their destination - if it still
exists, that is... Some years ago I served on the Board of a musical
organization. About three years after I quit, I got a bunch of replies
to messages that I had sent out regarding organizational business -
dated several years before, from people I haven't communicated with for
years...
Israel Stein
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Nossaman" <rnossaman at cox.net>
> To: "Pianotech" <Pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:34 AM
> Subject: [pianotech] time warp
>
>
>>
>> It's always amazed me. One post will show up on list literally a
>> couple of seconds after being sent, and the next won't have showed up
>> six hours later.
>>
>>
>> Ain't technology grand?
>> Ron N
>>
>>
>
> </div>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:55:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: pianoguru at cox.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Floating bridge with a difference
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:36 PM , Fred Brown RPT wrote:
> My guess would be a May Berlin on a Hailun back?
Now that you mention Hailun, I just had to go out on the factory floor
and see what I could find. Hailun does make strung backs for
manufacturers around the world, including Petrof in Europe. I did not
find an exact match to the photo, but there are examples of
multi-laminate bass bridge caps and others with segmented aprons (some
with three segments, others with four). The ones I saw were a Japanese
designed back, for a company in Indonesia. I don't know the brand name
under which they are shipped out from there.
Some of what I see in this factory leaves some things to be desired.
When it is built to another companies specifications, I have no control
over it. If it bear the Hailun name, I have a bit more influence.
Frank Emerson
P. S. Still in Ningbo, and under strict instructions from the Chinese
Health Dept. to take my body temperature twice daily, even after 12
healthy days in country. They are paranoid about the H1?1 (swine) flu.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: pianoguru at cox.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] repetition springs with cords
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM , wimblees at aol.com wrote:
> As Conrad said, the screw on the top of the wippen can be used to
> adjust the tension of the rep spring. But on older actions, these
> screws are sometimes very hard to turn, or they've been screwed?down
> so?much, going any further won't make any difference.
> What I've done is remove the spring from the cord, and bent it
> backwards. That increases the tension, and will actually give you more
> than you need.
The following does not apply to the original question about cord-type
spring retainers, but on the subject of how to adjust various type of
repetition springs I have a comment. There was a type of wippen with an
adjustment screw just in front of the repetion lever center pin, and
directly engaging the jack at a slot near its center pin. A peculiarity
of this repetition spring is that it has an extra free-standing loop
just below the lever in the length going to the jack. I don't know if
this was their design intent (or partly so), but you can make rough
adjustments by expanding or compressing this extra loop, without
disengaging anything. If the adjusting screw has been turn to its limit
and still too weak, back it out a little, expand the extra loop to
roughly get more tension, then fine tune with the screw.
Frank Emerson
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