Hi all,
Kent Webb was just here in Anchorage for a two-day seminar which was outstanding. He did indeed use that brass bar with the wire as a string hook. He said that it can be made using a piece of brass support rod from a pedal lyre cut to about 12 inches long, drilling an appropriately sized hole through it for a piece of piano wire to be attached, and and then making a small crook on the end of it. As a string leveler, the piano wire crook is hooked onto the string to be leveled with the tip of the brass rod directly above, then, the butt of the rod is placed against the area between the tuning pins and agraffs for leverage. In this position, the rod becomes the hypotenus of a triangle, one leg of which is the 'string hook' piece of piano wire hooked to the string to be leveled. Kent said that he favors tools that have multiple uses and that the butt end is grooved to be used to seat strings gently at the bridge pins, massaging the string, not tapping or hitting on the the top of the bridge which can cause damage however slight.
Take care,
David Cuffel
Anchorage, Alaska
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From: allan at sutton.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:51:28 -0400
Subject: [pianotech] string hook
Used for levelling the
strings, what is the Hart string hook ? Joe Goss uses that term on his
article about string levelling on his mother goose web site. For lifting as
well as lowering?
At the Postdam one-day
seminar last month, Kent Webb had a tool that was a long brass bar with a long
wire hanging by its side. He used it to “massage” the string to settle
on the bridge, but it was not the main use of this tool. Does any of this ring
a bell? Could it be a string leveller? The hook would be on the long wire, the
bar would be the [cantilever, lever, I don’t know the word] to [take
support?] or for [counter-bracing]?
I wish I could explain
this better. Sorry.
Thank you
Allan Sutton
www.pianotechniquemontreal.com
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From: pianoman at accessus.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:36:37 -0500
Subject: [pianotech] Fw: I am interested in the musical instrument
Hi All,
Received this form an ad I have for a used piano I have for sale . Does
this sound like a scam to any of you.
Curious.
James
James Grebe
Since 1962
Piano Tuning & Repair
Creator of Handsome Hardwood Products(
314) 608-4137 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010
Researcher of St. Louis Theatre History
BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
www.grebepiano.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen s Snyder" <allensnyder011 at yahoo.com>
To: "Pianoman" <pianoman at accessus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: I am interested in the musical instrument
I'm so glad to hear from you ,and also would like you to know i need the
music instrument real soon,and would like to get the music instrument,About
the payment mean while i have located my shipping agent who will come and
pick up the music instrument in your location after payment . im traveling
on in few days time and i have to mail the agent's payment to him also which
he'll use it to get a flight ticket to your resident to pick the item up and
bring it home to me,and i am not sure if i can locate him before then so
I've decided on what to do...So what i decide to do now is send the payment
to you in excess of the agent's money and all you will do is take it to your
bank and get it cashed instantly then deduct your money and when the agent
is located i will send you an email containing his full information which
you will need to transfer the rest funds(after your payment has been
deducted)to him and that can be easily done via
WESTERN UNION (there should be one around you) so he can pick it up and get
a flight to your resident for pick up.I hope i can put a trust on you on
this. Get back to me with the following:Full
Name...........................Physical Home
address.............................City.......................................State................................................zip
code.....................................Cell
Number........................so that I can send out the payment via ups by
tomorrow morning and i'll email instructions & tracking # so that you can
know the exact time it would be delivered to you....Thanks and stay bless
Allen Snyder
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net> wrote:
From: Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net>
Subject: Re: I am interested in the musical instrument
To: allensnyder011 at yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:21 AM
If you were writing me I have reduced the price to $500.
James
James Grebe
Since 1962
Piano Tuning & Repair
Creator of Handsome Hardwood Products(
314) 608-4137 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010
Researcher of St. Louis Theatre History
BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
www.grebepiano.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Snyder" <aallensnyder at gmail.com>
To: <allensnyder011 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: I am interested in the musical instrument
> Hello
> My name is Allen and i am interested in the musical instrument for sale
> and would like to know if its is till available and also the last price
> you
> are selling.also would like to know the present condition of the musical
> instrument so please get back to me as soon as possible
>
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From: dporritt at mail.smu.edu
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:43:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Fw: I am interested in the musical instrument
Definitely a scam!!
dp
David M. Porritt, RPT
dporritt at smu.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Pianoman
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:37 AM
To: Pianotech
Subject: [pianotech] Fw: I am interested in the musical instrument
Hi All,
Received this form an ad I have for a used piano I have for sale . Does
this sound like a scam to any of you.
Curious.
James
James Grebe
Since 1962
Piano Tuning & Repair
Creator of Handsome Hardwood Products(
314) 608-4137 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010
Researcher of St. Louis Theatre History
BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
www.grebepiano.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen s Snyder" <allensnyder011 at yahoo.com>
To: "Pianoman" <pianoman at accessus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: I am interested in the musical instrument
I'm so glad to hear from you ,and also would like you to know i need the
music instrument real soon,and would like to get the music instrument,About
the payment mean while i have located my shipping agent who will come and
pick up the music instrument in your location after payment . im traveling
on in few days time and i have to mail the agent's payment to him also which
he'll use it to get a flight ticket to your resident to pick the item up and
bring it home to me,and i am not sure if i can locate him before then so
I've decided on what to do...So what i decide to do now is send the payment
to you in excess of the agent's money and all you will do is take it to your
bank and get it cashed instantly then deduct your money and when the agent
is located i will send you an email containing his full information which
you will need to transfer the rest funds(after your payment has been
deducted)to him and that can be easily done via
WESTERN UNION (there should be one around you) so he can pick it up and get
a flight to your resident for pick up.I hope i can put a trust on you on
this. Get back to me with the following:Full
Name...........................Physical Home
address.............................City.......................................State................................................zip
code.....................................Cell
Number........................so that I can send out the payment via ups by
tomorrow morning and i'll email instructions & tracking # so that you can
know the exact time it would be delivered to you....Thanks and stay bless
Allen Snyder
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net> wrote:
From: Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net>
Subject: Re: I am interested in the musical instrument
To: allensnyder011 at yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:21 AM
If you were writing me I have reduced the price to $500.
James
James Grebe
Since 1962
Piano Tuning & Repair
Creator of Handsome Hardwood Products(
314) 608-4137 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010
Researcher of St. Louis Theatre History
BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
www.grebepiano.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Snyder" <aallensnyder at gmail.com>
To: <allensnyder011 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: I am interested in the musical instrument
> Hello
> My name is Allen and i am interested in the musical instrument for sale
> and would like to know if its is till available and also the last price
> you
> are selling.also would like to know the present condition of the musical
> instrument so please get back to me as soon as possible
>
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From: hoffsoco at luther.edu
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:39:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Fw: I am interested in the musical instrument
On 6/12/09, Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Received this form an ad I have for a used piano I have for sale . Does
> this sound like a scam to any of you.
> Curious.
> James
YES!!!
--
Conrad Hoffsommer, RPT - Keyboard Technician
Luther College, 700 College Dr.,
Decorah, Iowa 52101-1045
1-(563)-387-1204 // Fax 1-(563)-387-1076
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From: tomtuner at verizon.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Wurlitzer Console
Matthew,
Conrad is right on the money with his reply. I will add that these screws
are about 5" long and one is a different length than the others.As Conrad
has said keep the spacers and the screws in order. The breakage issue is a
facter. If the heads are silver colored there is less to worry about. The
screws more likely to break have a "Blued" look similar to a tuning pin.
When I give a proposal for any procedure that requires action removal on
these things I first back all four screws part way out . If the screw
twists back when you release the pressure on the screw driver and the thing
feels like silly putty that's the warning sign.
We have scads of these here in the North East and as Conrad has mentioned a
screw can break, but in my experience this is still a rare occurance.
The other factor although unrelated is that most of these have rubber
grommets that fit into the fork at the back of the key. They are often
petrified or at least on the way and can be noisy before you touch them and
worse after. They are cheap and easy to replace. I carry a few in my kit to
demonstrate to the client . I would plan on replacement .
As to the broken screw and it's removal and subsequent replacement you can
cut a slot with a small cold chisel and back the thing out or use an easy
out . Despite the fact that the screw broke the remaining section is
generally not frozen in the block and will come out without much trouble.
You will not find this length roundhead screw in the hardware store . I use
1/4" lag screws which are the same diameter and are available at the
aforementioned hardware store in the lengths that you need , Cut a slot in
the head with a hacksaw for your screw driver and problem solved.
If you are reusing the original screws put a little VJ on the threads and
turn the screw anti-clockwise until you hear-feel that click before turning
them in.
Lots -o -fun.
Tom Driscoll
P.S. Check for loose tuning pins in the bass. Up here the non-bass pins can
be just fine and the bass sometimes too loose. Also make sure you have a
thin-wall tuning head-tip. The first several notes in the tenor section have
a very crowded tuning pin field and if anyone has replaced a pin with an
oversize one the thinwall might be needed.
From: "Conrad Hoffsommer"
> On 6/12/09, Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks at att.net> wrote:
>> I will be removing/replacing my first action that has the dowels you have
>> to
>> unscrew instead of the normal action bolts. Anything special I should
>> know
>> for this?
>>
>
> You mean the ones with the tubes with real long screws inside them?
>
> a. Expect to break a screw. It'll break flush with the pinblock. Then,
> the real fun begins.
> b. Keep them in order - the bass tube has a cut-out section for
> clearance for #1 string. Make sure you have it oriented properly when
> you replace the action - severe buzzing if not...
>
>
>
>
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From: pmc033 at earthlink.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:33:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [pianotech] string hook
Hi, Allan:
I don't know of a Hart string hook, but he has a spring hook that is very handy for manipulating various springs. Not used for string leveling. Joe Goss has a string leveling tool that works as you describe- the wire does the connection to the string (hooked on the end) and the bar is the leverage. His tool is handy in that it folds compactly. I have one. It's not in my hand just now, but I believe there's one end that will massage a string, as there's a groove filed into it. It sounds like Kent Webb has a similar tool. These string leveling tools are very efficient because of the leverage against an agraffe. In fact, you could make one yourself with a dowel and short length of large gauge wire.
Using the common string hook with a T handle also works, but there's no leverage there, just using your strength to pull upwards. I have a hook from Don Mannino that has a unique end on it. His tool doesn't have the usual "J" shape, but has a slot that the string fits into for lifting. It also has a groove for pushing or massaging the string downwards. The handle is a T type. I'm not sure who sells the Mannino string tool.
I hope this helps.
Paul McCloud
San Diego
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: 06/12/2009 4:09:39 AM
Subject: [pianotech] string hook
Used for levelling the strings, what is the Hart string hook ? Joe Goss uses that term on his article about string levelling on his mother goose web site. For lifting as well as lowering?
At the Postdam one-day seminar last month, Kent Webb had a tool that was a long brass bar with a long wire hanging by its side. He used it to “massage” the string to settle on the bridge, but it was not the main use of this tool. Does any of this ring a bell? Could it be a string leveller? The hook would be on the long wire, the bar would be the [cantilever, lever, I don’t know the word] to [take support?] or for [counter-bracing]?
I wish I could explain this better. Sorry.
Thank you
Allan Sutton
www.pianotechniquemontreal.com
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