[pianotech] sluggish (was no subject)

[J Patrick Draine]

Wurlitzer had a range of models they offered, from the "most cheap"
("Rudolph Wurlitzer") to slightly taller, fancier casework models. The most
expensive ones had "individually (?) weighed off keys" as one of the "sales
features." Most of the other models did not.And re: your question about
"what if 'repair/adjustment X or Y" does not really solve the "obvious
problem", I suggest that you attend a class by, or have a long phone
conversation with, Jack Wyatt regarding what "excellent service" is for
aging spinets and consoles. The answer is learn how to do it right (the
whole reconditioning package), and sell the job effectively; avoid the
band-aid approach. Learn in some else's shop, or in a school, or do lots of
refurbishing & rebuilding in your own shop, to the highest standards you can
achieve. Your customers expect this level of skill from you.
End of sermon,
Patrick

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks at att.net>wrote:

> Do most Wurlitzer consoles have weights in their keys to begin with?  The
> reason I ask is because the piano in question does not.
>
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> --- On *Sat, 6/13/09, Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] sluggish (was no subject)
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 8:39 PM
>
>
> If we free it up and it works, that means then the key weights in the
> fronts
> do not need attention or addtions to the rear of the key. If a person wants
> to go through and re-pin that's fine too.  But, like I and others have
> said,
> I've been able to clear up all of the problems without re-weighting.
> Eliminating the problem, not the symptom is the resolution.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pianotech-bounces@ptg.org>[mailto:
> pianotech-bounces at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pianotech-bounces@ptg.org>]
> On Behalf
> Of Ron Nossaman
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 4:24 PM
> To: pianotech at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pianotech@ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] sluggish (was no subject)
>
> Gerald Groot wrote:
>
> > *The last time I actually placed any weights on any piano was over 30
> > years ago.  It may take time to figure it out.  Sometimes, we all need
> > to call in the troupes for assistance to figure out what is causing
> > these problems but, just because weighting 'appears' to solve the
> > problem, that does not mean, that is the problem.  *
>
>
> And I think it's just the opposite. Just because lubricating
> the wip centers made it work doesn't mean that was the
> problem. The keys are too front heavy. If everything else is
> optimal and as friction free as possible, the action will more
> or less work anyway. It doesn't take much friction in a key
> bushing, wippen cushion or center, or whatever, to make these
> actions sluggish. Friction levels in these places in other
> better balanced actions aren't usually show stoppers, but
> these actions are right on the edge of functionality at best.
> I have, through the years, put leads on a few keys in
> Wurlitzers, when lubrication and easing didn't get it, and the
> customer wasn't interested in spending what it was likely to
> take to otherwise make it "work", but just wanted that one or
> two keys to be made to work as economically (cheaply) as
> possible.
> Ron N
>
>
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