[pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff

[John Ross]

I guess I have a problem with English too. :-)
That should be non German speaking.
John Ross
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Ross 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff


  How easy is it for a none German speaking person, to navigate through?
  John Ross
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregor _ 
    To: pianotech at ptg.org 
    Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:41 PM
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff


    There is a software for interval training. It´s freeware and you can download it here:

    http://www.musikpaedagogik-online.de/unterricht/software/unterricht/show,16661.html

    I didn´t try it, but it´s freeware. No idea how it works or what can be done with it.

    Gregor


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    From: KeyKat88 at aol.com
    Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:48:52 -0400
    To: pianotech at ptg.org
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question HEARING Stuff


    Greetings,

            It seems to me that a person who sings in a barbershop quartet has an ear and the concentration to hear tones within tones and keep track of which ones he has to sing!  Its probably then just a matter of some tutoring on the names of the tones ie; 4th, 5th etc, and then honing the skill by practicing hearing.

            By the way, thinking of the beginning of a song to get an interval? such as; Here Comes the Bride for a perfect 4th and so on...There is nothing wrong with that. NOTHING. In fact its best way to facilitate speed in learning!  Also, before a tuner gets the "exact note" they get the "approximate" note. 

            Take ear training lessons. Any music teacher with a degree will know what you are talking about when you ask for ear training lessons. Its just like anything else, the more you do it or train; the better you get. After you learn how to identify and reproduce intervals (vocally and on a piano, in all 12 keys), then your ear may or (may not) be able to be trained to listen for beats. 

            Some claim they cannot hear beats. (I think they just aren't listening "honestly" enough to the blatantly obvious, or [rathr whats blant'y obv's to me])  First, I'd say even before ear training, find out if you can hear beats. Get with a tuner and have the person "test" your ears.

    Hope this helps
    Julia Gottshall
    Reading, PA


    In a message dated 3/8/2009 2:20:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidlovepianos at comcast.net writes:
      A person that is absolutely non musical with no musical training or talent
      shouldn't probably become a piano tuner.  By that I don't mean the ability
      to play, necessarily, but I do mean the ability to hear musically.  Tuning
      is mostly learning to hear.  You can easily train yourself to recognize
      various intervals and then learn to tune them by the standard aural
      recognition methods involving coincident harmonics.  If you are unable to
      grasp what that is or learn to hear them then it is likely that another
      profession would be more suitable.  

      Similarly, a person lacking any manual dexterity should probably not become
      a surgeon, at least not one who will operate on me.      

      David Love
      www.davidlovepianos.com


      -----Original Message-----
      From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
      Of Duaine & Laura Hechler
      Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:29 PM
      To: pianotech at ptg.org
      Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural tuning question

      Maybe, I need to get to basics for this question.

      I am a barbershop singer, so I have a sense of what a 3rd, 5th, m7th,
      octave sounds like.

      Now, assume for the sake of this question, a non musical person that has
      absolutely no other training and talent, wants to be a piano tuner.

      Without the aid of a ETD and has no concept of note relations (3rds,
      5ths, etc), how is he expected to learn aural tuning ? And learn it well
      enough to pass the tests ?

      I don't see any other choice for this person to use an ETD - and - never
      be able to pass the test - so - how does he get to be an RPT?

      Duaine

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