Hi David... "---a different part of my consciousness is matching partials than listening to the blend of partials that is the "whole-tone." I can do both, but it seems more thorough and "feels better" to me to listen to everything that's happening when I play two notes; I like I can serve the tuning, and the piano, better." This is a nice descriptive... and it echos more or less how I go about things with my Tune lab approach. I've been on about the inherent weakness of a single partial ETDs since first beginning to use them and have tried to find a way around that since the get go. Since most tuners listen one way or another to one or two sets of coincidents using any number of aural tests to get them there, it seemed to me that emulating that first stage with an ETD and then tweaking with what fits in a more holistic sense was the way to go. I tune default straight off to 3:1 12ths in the treble for example. A lot of older tuners have been doing this for years without necessarily thinking directly about the 12th per sè. Old journals are full of discussions about using the 17th, 10th, M3rd and 6th tests and if you read between the lines you can see they are setting octaves stretch so that 12ths end up either pure or just barely a slow roll. But most go on to say that when all tests are done, they listen to the whole affect of a series of intervals. You hear things like playing major triads chromatically upwards and listening for a very similar aural picture for each triad. The beat rates increase... but the relationships of all three tones together aurally... holistically stay the same. Others add to this triad an octave a couple octaves below... some use triads in certain inversions. I like the second inversion with an octave two octaves and a third below the triad myself. Point is, you use your partial matching to get you close, then listen to the sound the instrument is making. If your tuning is uneven.. then color variations in triads will be obvious. There are lots of ways of doing this.. lots of different tests. I'm not sure I'd take in use any terms like "natural beats", "beatless octaves" "aurally pure octaves" or any of the other terms tossed around. But there is a color to piano sound I'm after... similar to what UET folks like to talk about when they get into key color. Cheers RicB
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