My one experience with repining Steinway grand wippens, I pinned the old wips to *new* flanges. I also cleaned the birdseyes with some kind of deveritgriser. I'll let you know how it plays after 75 years. It's been about 10 so far. Tom Cole Terry Farrell wrote: > No, no, Wim, that wasn't my point. I know you were recommending > replacement, as most would. However you suggested that repining will > provide a satisfactory fix for a period of 75 years. IMHO, any fix > that lasts 75 years is a permanent fix - and what then is to recommend > against a permanent fix? > > I don't have the experience of repining action parts with verdigris > and then observing how long it takes for the action to slow up again - > but my general understanding is that the problem would commonly > reappear in relatively short order - maybe just a few years - or less > - but very likely within a decade or two at most. My point was that my > best guess is that repining a verdigris action is NOT a 75 year > satisfactory fix. > > Maybe someone with better experience can chime in..... > > Terry Farrell > > On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, wimblees at aol.com > <mailto:wimblees at aol.com> wrote: > >> It might take 75 years for the verdigris to effect the center pin, >> but by that time, other problems will most likely have occurred to >> replace the wippens, and/or the hammer flanges. In actuality, I've >> always recommended replacing the parts. I think in all my years of >> rebuilding, I've only repinned one set of verdigris shanks. And that >> was the first set I ever did. Then I learned my lesson. >> >> I just mentioned the repinning as a possibility, not as a >> recommendation. >> Wim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com >> <mailto:mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>> >> To: pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> >> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 5:41 pm >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Steinway verdigris questions >> >> I dunno Wim, 75 years with no problems, sounds too good to be true. >> 75 years could be considered "permanent". Care to amend that claim? ;-) >> >> Terry Farrell >> >> On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:46 PM, wimblees at aol.com >> <mailto:wimblees at aol.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Wim, >>> In my experience the repin repair is also a temporary fix. >>> Been there, failed there. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Tom Driscoll >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> I agree with you. The only reason I mention the repinning is for >>> temporary repairs, in cases where the customer doesn't want to pay >>> for new parts. >>> >>> Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tom <tomtuner at verizon.net <mailto:tomtuner at verizon.net>> >>> Julie >>> >>> Verdigris is not mold. It is a chemical reaction between the parafin >>> wax Steinway put in the cloth and the nickel on the center pin. >>> Since this reaction took over 75 years to develop, you can repin, >>> and the problem will come back in 75 years. But, since the parts are >>> that old, it's probably time to replace the worn out parts anyway. >>> Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT >> = >
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