Steven Hopp wrote: >Thank you and I will take all responses from here > at face value and use what I can. Forgive me. No problem. Gotta start somewhere, and the beginning is after all, the beginning. This isn't a factor in this instance, but what I see helping in the long term in these situations is an attempted analysis (presuming *any* past experience), indicating that thought was given and an attempt was made before phoning in. I see people who have been appearing on the list for a long time "phoning in" first thing, asking knee jerk questions that they ought to be able to figure out for themselves, and have no sympathy at all for that. I find that exhausting everything in my experience and imagination before giving up in despair and asking for help usually results in my stumbling onto the cause from which I can work out something that takes care of it - eliminating the need to ask for help. Not everyone's such a hardhead, but I really hate being outsmarted by inanimate objects, and it happens altogether too often. Something totally outside my experience is different, and I'll ask for basic information before just barging in and screwing it up (usually). Bottom line is that no one knows even 0.00000001% of ANYTHING, so we have to work out our own individual reality however we can. Another kit. Ron N
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