Well, you caught me, Greg. I took this picture a couple of years ago for a different pianotech post and I was in a hurry so I didnt put any padding down. I didnt actually put the piano all the way up, I only positioned it to show the brace. Normally I would never do this with no padding on the corner. With the padding there is no chance crushing. And with the brace there is very little stress on the lyres glue joints. Seems to me that should answer most of your objections. Dean Dean W May (812) 235-5272 PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY Terre Haute IN 47802 _____ From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Newell Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:25 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Use of Lyre Dean, Your photo is perfect proof of what Im talking about. Movers who use the lyre, even with support, seem to forget that the bottom edge of the pedal lyre will get the small portion of wood on the corner smashed and rounded over using that very small area to bear the weight of the piano while it rolls for you. You given me all the proof that I think I need in your picture. If you want to call that opinion then fine. Its my opinion that this is the wrong way to try and avoid damage. Greg Newell Greg's Piano Forté www.gregspianoforte.com 216-226-3791 (office) 216-470-8634 (mobile) http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com?a_aid=NNaYfMKd From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Dean May Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:02 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Use of Lyre >>I for one, never use the lyre as a fulcrum... Bad for the knees but better for the piano. Do you have test results to back up this claim or is it just intuitive analysis? Ive seen factories use the lyre; Ive seen keyboard Carriage use the lyre; I, myself, have used the lyre many, many times with no problems, especially using the brace below (tip of the hat to John Dewey). A modern, well constructed lyre and keybed are very strong components. The brace below makes the combination bullet-proof. Using a lyre is easier on the back leg and definitely easier on the mover. Personally I value my back and knees more than any piano that I move. If youre not comfortable using the lyre thats fine, I have no problem with that. There are indeed some rickety lyres that I am not comfortable using. If you want to state it is your personal preference to not use the lyre, Im good with that. But to categorically state it is bad for the piano, do you have some research to back up that claim? Because many reputable movers and factories do use the lyre. Dean Dean W May (812) 235-5272 PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY Terre Haute IN 47802 _____ From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Newell Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:38 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Piano Mover Ed, I agree completely. Being a technician certainly makes my efforts a little different than other movers who are not. My point , however poorly made, was to get folks to think that not all movers cause damage. Some actually care about what they do. I for one, never use the lyre as a fulcrum. Even before I purchase the piano horse from Jansen I would ease the corner down to the skid by hand after first removing the lyre. Bad for the knees but better for the piano. Greg Newell Greg's Piano Forté www.gregspianoforte.com 216-226-3791 (office) 216-470-8634 (mobile) http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com?a_aid=NNaYfMKd From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed Foote Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:04 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Piano Mover Greg writes, (inre piano movers being cast in a bad light): Often, however, we are blamed for quite a few things that cant possibly be our fault. In the case of pedal lyres I believe that if the lyre was made well enough with solid material (not select hardwoods) and on the other side, not rocked down to the floor using the lyre as a fulcrum, these problems would not exist. Agreed. Yet.... If I were asked what were the most common problems caused by movers, the lyre would be right at the top of the list, (aside from the occasional exploding grand diving off the lift). I have seen more "mover damage" around the lyre than all the rest combined. Usually just the leathers torn off, but I have seen pedal rods sculpted into flower arrangements, screws totally stripped, etc. long list. It is always ignorance on their part. As a technician that can rebuild that lyre, you know how it is installed. Amazingly, many movers continue to move and never learn. Regards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100224/384c2143/attachment-0001.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 12987 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100224/384c2143/attachment-0002.jpeg> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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