I did not use the lyre to turn a grand down for years, until a friend of mine told me about a mover that had been moving pianos for 30 years said that if he broke one he would come and fix it. Since then I have turned hundreds of pianos on the lyre and have not found a problem if you have the board on a dolly or boxes. some of these pianos we have serviced for over 20 years. so I am telling you that old dogs can learn better or easier tricks. Rick Wyatt Dallas Chapter In a message dated 2/23/2010 9:02:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, deanmay at pianorebuilders.com writes: >>I for one, never use the lyre as a fulcrum... Bad for the knees but better for the piano. Do you have test results to back up this claim or is it just intuitive analysis? I've seen factories use the lyre; I've seen keyboard Carriage use the lyre; I, myself, have used the lyre many, many times with no problems, especially using the brace below (tip of the hat to John Dewey). A modern, well constructed lyre and keybed are very strong components. The brace below makes the combination bullet-proof. Using a lyre is easier on the back leg and definitely easier on the mover. Personally I value my back and knees more than any piano that I move. If you’re not comfortable using the lyre that’s fine, I have no problem with that. There are indeed some rickety lyres that I am not comfortable using. If you want to state it is your personal preference to not use the lyre, I’m good with that. But to categorically state it is bad for the piano, do you have some research to back up that claim? Because many reputable movers and factories do use the lyre. Dean Dean W May (812) 235-5272 PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY Terre Haute IN 47802 ____________________________________ From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Newell Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:38 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Piano Mover Ed, I agree completely. Being a technician certainly makes my efforts a little different than other movers who are not. My point , however poorly made, was to get folks to think that not all movers cause damage. Some actually care about what they do. I for one, never use the lyre as a fulcrum. Even before I purchase the piano horse from Jansen I would ease the corner down to the skid by hand after first removing the lyre. Bad for the knees but better for the piano. Greg Newell Greg's Piano Forté www.gregspianoforte.com 216-226-3791 (office) 216-470-8634 (mobile) _http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com?a_aid=NNaYfMKd_ (http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com/?a_aid=NNaYfMKd) From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed Foote Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:04 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Piano Mover Greg writes, (inre piano movers being cast in a bad light): Often, however, we are blamed for quite a few things that can’t possibly be our fault. In the case of pedal lyres I believe that if the lyre was made well enough with solid material (not “select” hardwoods) and on the other side, not rocked down to the floor using the lyre as a fulcrum, these problems would not exist. Agreed. Yet.... If I were asked what were the most common problems caused by movers, the lyre would be right at the top of the list, (aside from the occasional exploding grand diving off the lift). I have seen more "mover damage" around the lyre than all the rest combined. Usually just the leathers torn off, but I have seen pedal rods sculpted into flower arrangements, screws totally stripped, etc. long list. It is always ignorance on their part. As a technician that can rebuild that lyre, you know how it is installed. Amazingly, many movers continue to move and never learn. Regards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100224/389a359c/attachment-0001.htm>
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