What if it was a Steinway... Oh crap!... Or a Bosendorfer... Wow!... See ya don't know, do ya. How do you make those little Umlouts over the "o" anyway? I bet it was a Kawai. Just adding to the mayhem (grin) Scott ¢ On 2/24/2010 7:00 PM, David Ilvedson wrote: > Which Chinese built piano was it? > > David Ilvedson, RPT > Pacifica, CA 94044 > > ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- > From: "Nick Gravagne"<gravagnegang at att.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Received: 2/24/2010 10:09:13 AM > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning pin torque?!?!? > > >> Really, my friends on the list; this thread has now passed the point of >> Jame's simple inquiry for input RE tuning pin torque and is about to >> spin out of control. Where else should he go to get a simple answer to a >> simple question? > >> > >> As I read Jame's post I read four simple sentences: > >> > >> 1) I have recently purchased several new pianos and discovered during >> the initial tunings what I believe to be minimal tuning pin torque. > >> > >> 2) The pins feel "spongy" and difficult to set. > >> > >> 3) Is there an industry standard for pin torque, and if so, what should >> that torque value be in inch pounds? > >> > >> 4) Any data on this subject would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >> If we ignore question 1, then the following three sentences and >> questions cannot be clearer. > >> > >> Certainly, all those who would like to know the make and model of these >> "new pianos" James has purchased make excellent points; and yes >> inquiring minds do want to know. But anyone can see that Mr. Williams >> has personal reasons why he doesn't wish to share this piece of >> information. Whether we agree with what we hypothesize are his reasons >> for silence is not the issue. > >> > >> Why not respect his wishes and simply answer the uncomplicated questions >> he has put forth to a technical community best informed to do so. As it >> is, I am less curious as to the make of pianos as I am to the dearth of >> answers RE torque. I read only one post with an answer --- David Love's. > >> > >> I agree more or less with David: > >> > >> "Probably about 60 lbs is minimum but on a new piano you'd like to see >> around 90 - 120 but there is quite a range." > >> > >> Yes there is quite a range, but as practical tuners with thousands of >> tunings under our belts, we also know that there is a "tunable range" >> and on either side of this range the piano is "un-tunable". I also >> prefer the 100 lb. range (plus or minus), but Mr. Williams has told us >> of an exceedingly low torque. Surely no one would insist that Yamahas, >> for example, tune best at 75 lbs, or that Steinways must exceed 150 or >> there is no hope; the point being that the make of these pianos is not >> critical to the simple questions put forth. > >> > >> If we must insist on the make of these pianos, or guess as to Mr. >> Williams' reasons for silence, we should start another thread. > >> > >> Respectfully, > >> > >> > >> Nick Gravagne, RPT > >> Piano Technicians Guild > >> Member Society Manufacturing Engineers > >> Voice Mail 928-476-4143 > >> > >> _____ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100224/c8eff08f/attachment-0001.htm>
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