8 or 9 out of 10 times on say a 1/4 tone pitch raise strictly aurally, I can get that piano to be darn near, if not dead on pitch during the first pass meaning, I will only have to go over it a 2nd time and not a 3rd. Many times, I find octaves very, very close, if not on. Many notes do not need much correction at all. 100 ¢ pitch raise? It might drop back down some but I can still get it back up and very close on the 2nd pass. One key, is to raise it past A/440 knowing how far up to place it which can only be done with experience. Many techs do not do this. Especially the newer ones. They raise it up to 440 and watch it drop for the next 3 or 4 pitch raises afte that. The tuning will be a good, clean solid tuning. How do you describe how good of a quality in an email or accuracy anyway? I guess, read what I wrote to Ron N and call these people and ask them if I can do it and what it sounds like. Each name that I provided in that email along with their email address are all very good technicians with a great ear. Jer From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry Farrell Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:27 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Pitch raising 2ndly, I did not say how close to A/440 we were getting the piano on the first pass. Okay, that seems realistic (kinda). So if a "fine tuning" requires a piano to be within two cents of target pitch, what good does that do us? Again, we are NOT talking concert tunings. Right. So what level of tuning quality are we talking? Terry Farrell On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Gerald Groot wrote: Well, let's play. When I was 18 years old, I raised pitch on an old upright 1 full tone to A/440. I was timed by my mentor. My first pass over it was completed in 6 minutes. That was 36 years ago. I went over that piano to fine tune it an additional 3 times after that and was done in 45 minutes. I asked him if this tuning would pass (he was an RPT) the PTG exams? He said, yes it would. Is this something I do daily? Heck no. I don't care too. But it is, something that can be done and something I have done many times. 2ndly, I did not say how close to A/440 we were getting the piano on the first pass. You are assuming way to much now. The main goal here, is to raise the piano up to pitch and to get it as close to 440 as we can. Remember this. Pitch raising and fine tuning are completely separate from one another. We at this point, are only pitch raising. We give it our best guesstimate to get it close to pitch. With many years of experience, we can guess pretty darn close after tuning many thousands of pianos. Do we make mistakes in our guesstimates?? Sure we do. That's where EDT's are nicer for pitch raising. My point We are raising pitch and getting that piano CLOSE TO the target pitch of A/440 for the first pass only ASAP. Okay, now, let's change the time frame to make it more realistic for some of you. Let's say, we raise pitch 1 full tone in just under 10 minutes or even 15 minutes. Now, let's say the piano is still 1/4 tone flat. There is no reason why we can't raise pitch 1/4 tone in another 10 minutes or 15 . 30 minutes total so far.. OK, now the piano should be fairly close to pitch and not so far out of tune any longer. One final pass, oh, let's say, 20 more minutes for a total of 50 minutes. Is that more realistic? The thing is to get the piano on pitch. Then worry about the fine tuning. If it is still way off from pitch, do it again. If we waste 45 minutes just getting the piano on pitch, what's the sense in that if we can do it in 10-20 minutes? If we can use an EDT to raise pitch 100 ¢ and not worry about how far up we are raising the treble, we most certainly can do likewise without using an EDT. Again, we are NOT talking concert tunings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20100703/6502b3e0/attachment.htm>
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