[pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!

Mike Spalding mike.spalding1 at verizon.net
Fri Jul 16 10:22:51 MDT 2010


This discussion reminds me how fortunate I am to be doing business from 
a rural township in Wisconsin.  I can be in downtown Milwaukee in a 
half-hour.  I pay $10 every two years for my Wisconsin Vendor's License, 
which just identifies me as someone who must file a sales tax return.  I 
service 6 counties, and as long as I file my sales tax at the correct 
rate for each county (4 rates for 6 counties) there's no problem.When I 
converted the basement to my rebuilding shop, the town building 
inspector wouldn't let me tell him what I would be doing - just didn't 
want to know something that might force him to hassle me.  We're a 
neighborhood that believes in "live and let live" - there's a variety of 
home business stuff going on up and down the street, and no-one's ever 
complained.

counting my blessings

Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hy Cohen <frowninverter at gmail.com>
> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:37 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!
>
> Here in CA, you are apparently required to have a license with the 
> county, even if you’re based in a city. CA is like living on an alien 
> planet compared to WA, where I’m from. There are a bunch more hoops to 
> jump through down here, and they charge easily 4 to 8 times as much 
> for their fees. I got price tag shock when they told me my county 
> business license was $415. I was expecting around $75. And that’s just 
> one example of one of the hoops. <grin> To top it off, depending on 
> the different city codes, even if I have one client in a city I may be 
> required to have a business license for that city. Ugh. I really do 
> want to play by the rules, but the gov. sure isn’t a fun opponent in 
> this game. <grin>  
>  
> That’s a good idea about looking into rezoning if we’re going to be 
> here longer than I’m hoping.
>  
> I was advised to form my company as an LLC. I was going to just get my 
> sole proprietorship until I moved, thinking it would save some money. 
> Well, I think that idea has been tossed out. The only part I don’t 
> like about the LLC, is CA has a minimum mandatory $800 yearly tax on 
> LLCs, even if you make absolutely no money.  Now I don’t know what to do.
>  
> Thanks,
> Hy
>  
> Hy Cohen
> San Juanqin County, CA
> frowninverter at gmail.com <mailto:frowninverter at gmail.com>
>  
>  
> *From:* pianotech-bounces at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org> 
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org?>] 
> *On Behalf Of *Paul T Williams
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:22 AM
> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!
>  
> David,
>
> I was always curious that if we are licensed in the city in which we 
> live as well as the state, do we also have to have a license for all 
> the surrounding cities in which we work?  (It doesn't matter now, 
> since I'm a CAUT), but I didn't ever know if I was bending some sort 
> of law living in Clinton, WA, but doing business all around Puget Sound.
>
> Best,
> Paul
>
>
> From:
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> "David Stocker" <firtreepiano at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:firtreepiano at hotmail.com>>
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> <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>>
> Date:
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> 07/15/2010 11:54 AM
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> Re: [pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!
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>
> A huge problem for us is that the laws and codes are written by people 
> who are educated into thinking commercial can only mean retail stores 
> or industrial businesses. Our kind of business does not exist in their 
> perception of the universe. The city I grew up in and started my 
> business in made it literally impossible for me to remain, thereby 
> losing my taxes. The county here classifies me the same as a piano 
> teacher; which means if I have no sign, no employees and do nothing 
> outside, they don't care. In Washington state there is no licensing of 
> businesses by the county, only by the state and cities. A business 
> license is not the same as an occupation permit.
>  
> You might ask about the procedure for re-zoning your property. 
> Sometimes it is not as onerous as you might think, and you may be 
> presenting your cause to a committee of citizens rather than bureaucrats.
>  
> David Stocker, RPT
> Tumwater, WA
>  
>  
> *From:* Hy Cohen <mailto:frowninverter at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 02:47
> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>
> *Subject:* [pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!
>
> Hi everyone,
>  
> I just moved here to California a couple of weeks ago, and am working 
> on getting my business plan assembled so I can soon start my piano 
> tech business.
>  
> As part of that process, I gave a call over to my county to find out 
> how much a business license would be (I live outside the city limits). 
> They told me $415. But then they asked where I would be operating my 
> business, so I explained to them that it would be a home-based 
> business where I will perform a majority of my services at my clients’ 
> location and that once in a while I would take a part home to work on 
> using manual hand tools which are pretty quiet, and that my business 
> would not generate any additional traffic, etc. She then asked me for 
> my address, so I gave it to her.
>  
> Just as soon as I gave her my address she announced that I could not 
> run my business where I live! She said the property is zoned as 
> agriculture, and because I would occasionally bring something home 
> with me to work on that it would be considered a commercial operation 
> which would not be allowed under the property’s zoning. Any 
> thoughts…besides moving or pretending I didn’t hear what the lady 
> said? <grin> I’ve left messages for the city to find out if I lived 
> there if I would run into the same problem, but they haven’t called 
> back. In your experience, am I likely to run into this problem living 
> in a city? We are planning to move into a city in the near future. But 
> with this goofy problem, we might be moving sooner rather than later. 
> <grin> Thanks for your advice!
>  
> Warmly,
> Hy
> frowninverter at gmail.com <mailto:frowninverter at gmail.com>
>  


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