[pianotech] Noisey pedal bracket

Dean May deanmay at pianorebuilders.com
Tue Nov 16 07:26:07 MST 2010


YC used some really crap metal in those trapwork screws. The ones on the
braces were particularly problematic as they get removed every time the
piano is moved. When I sold YCs I always replaced those screws when intially
setting up the piano with the nearest US size I could find, No 8s I think. 
 
So forget about using factory screws there. 
 
It's odd that in all the YCs I sold and service I've never encountered the
problem you describe. The squeaks I found came from the brass to leather
contact and from the pedal pivots. The latter responded well to Teflon
powder. 
 

Dean

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From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Barbara Richmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:58 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Noisey pedal bracket


I had to rebush many hanger brackets YC pianos a long time ago.  I don't
know what they were contaminated with, but no lubricant would quiet them.
Maybe an adhesive had seeped through the felt.  The problem then wasn't
rebushing, but working with the damaged screw heads that held the brackets
in place.  I remember calling the YC service rep at the time and asking for
screws to have on hand.  He sent some and they were damaged, too.
Apparently he had taken them off a junked action...

Barbara Richmond, RPT
near Peoria, Illinois

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ucci" <richarducci at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:24:59 AM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Noisey pedal bracket


Guys, I'm going to try this again.
The noise I'm talking about is from the brackets at the back of the action
that hold the damper lift bar in place. There are three of them that make a
scratchy noise when the rod moves . How is the best way to remove and lube?
Thanks,
Rick Ucci/ Ucci Piano 
www.uccipiano.com  


On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:27 PM, John Ashcraft <jaashcraft at gmail.com> wrote:



I reworked a Yamaha-built Everett studio that was a wonderful piano in every
other respect. 

The trapwork was designed to fail. The fulcrum should be on a line (or in
the vertical plane containing the line) connecting the force at the pedal
end with the load at the dowel end: another magic line, perhaps. When they
put that strong spring off the line, they forced the bracket to try to
absorb the torque/twist. (Works long enough to get it out of the factory and
past the free tech visits.) After trying many other approaches to removing
the noise, I used a hose clamp to hold an upper spring support at the side
of the trapwork tube, made a shallow hole in the bottom board at the correct
position, and moved the spring sideways to put it in line with the force and
load. Problem solved, at least until the fulcrum bracket fails.

John Ashcraft



On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Ryan Sowers < <mailto:tunerryan at gmail.com>
tunerryan at gmail.com> wrote:


This is one part of piano manufacturing I just don't understand. I service
100 year old uprights with simple wooden trapworks that work smoothly and
noiselessly. These modern metal trapwork systems are a constant source of
problems - it seems that every tiniest noise is greatly amplified, and
sometimes transmitted through the parts making it very difficult to isolate
the source. 

The plastic spring cups break, the bushings wear out, the rubber grommets
squeak and wear out prematurely, the brackets seem to click, etc. This is
one example of "they don't make them like they used to" and its a sad thing!
It seems like Yamaha went with this system and then every other Asian
manufacturer followed suit. 



On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Barbara Richmond <
<mailto:piano57 at comcast.net> piano57 at comcast.net> wrote:


Scratchy sound?  What part is doing it?

On Yamahas there is a nylon (or whatever it is) spacer/nut on the prop under
the pedal that can squawk.  No amount of lube will help.  You need to detach
the pedal from the bottom board, detach the pedal prop from the lever.  Put
a leather punching--lubed with your favorite grease--between the nylon nut
and the pedal.  Reassemble.  

That's the fix for that squeak.

Barbara Richmond, RPT
near Peoria, Illinois 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ucci" < <mailto:richarducci at comcast.net>
richarducci at comcast.net>
To:  <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:10:13 AM
Subject: [pianotech] Noisey pedal bracket

List, I know this has been covered before , but...
How do you eliminate that scratchy sound on Asian uprights when the  
sustain pedal is played?
What is the procedure used? Remove brackets and lube with pianotech  
glide stuff?

Rick Ucci/ Ucci Piano
 <http://www.uccipiano.com> www.uccipiano.com






-- 
Ryan Sowers, RPT
Puget Sound Chapter
Olympia, WA
 <http://www.pianova.net> www.pianova.net



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