[pianotech] Quick Quickbooks Question

Michael Magness ifixpiano at gmail.com
Fri Feb 25 13:26:13 MST 2011


On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote:

> On 02/24/2011 03:48 PM, George F Emerson wrote:
> > Wim B Wrote:
> > >If you brought in, lets say, $50,000, last year, and you bought $1000
> > worth of parts, then you are taxed on $49,000.
> >
> > Not exactly.  I suppose it could work that way if you never bought a
> > replacement part until you had a customer ready to buy it, but that
> > would mean that if you found a bridle strap that needed to be
> > replaced, you would have to order the part and come back a week or so
> > later to install it.  I don't think any of us do business that way.
> >
> > If you purchase parts in advance of the need to have them available
> > for immediate use, such purchases cannot be written off as an
> > expense.  It increases the company's inventory of replacement parts,
> > and is therefore a company asset.  At the end of the year, you may
> > well pay income tax on income that was not realized as cash income,
> > but as an increase value of inventory assets.
> >
> > If a company derives any income from sales, the IRS will need to see a
> > beginning inventory (the same as last year's ending inventory), plus
> > inventory purchases made during the tax year, minus the year's ending
> > inventory.  The difference is the cost of goods sold, which is what is
> > deductible as an expense for that year.  It might be that the cost of
> > goods sold turns out to be less than expenditures on inventory
> > purchases, in which case, you have an indirect profit from an
> > increased value of inventory goods.  On the other hand, the cost of
> > goods sold might turn out to be greater than expenditures for
> > replacement parts, in which case, you have depleted inventory
> > accumulated in previous years, and reduced the value of the end of
> > year inventory.  It's not like you are paying tax on parts you bought
> > to eventually sell to customers.  Whether you care to look at it that
> > way or not, the IRS views it as income, whether it is cash income or
> > an increase in the value of company assets.
> >
> > Frank Emerson
> Frank,
>
> That sounds all well and good, except by my tax man, said not to worry
> about inventory and mark it as supplies or COGS.
>
> Because, this is part of my situation, I buy 3 yards of bellows cloth
> for rebuilding player reservoirs and pumpers.
>
> Now, I have a single piece of cloth 3 yrds by 60" wide. So I cut a bunch
> of material to use on recovering these items. Left over, I have a piece
> of material with a straight line on a couple of sides and a zip-zap of
> material on the other side, so now I have what, should be called "scrap"
> because it's not good for any bellows work as it is.
>
> I have a box of about 10 of such pieces.
>
> How do you deal with things like this as - quantifiable - inventory - -
> answer - you don't !
>
> You mentioned bridle straps - ok - lets look at that:
>
> You buy a box of bridle straps for supplies and repairs out in the
> field. If memory served me, a box is sold by 100 per box.
>
> Ok, so you do a piano action (88) = leaves 12.  Over the year you place
> 4 = which leaves 8.
>
> Example:
>
> First, was the box bought as a single order or as a big enough order to
> get a discount per box.
>
> Let's take the simplest, single order.
>
> The box of 100 bridle straps cost $12.95 = or $0.1295 for strap =
> totaling 8 x 0.1295 = grand total $1.036
>
> Now, based on your conviction, you are going to spend the time to figure
> out this for taxes - give me a break.
>
> AND, everything else you bought !!
>
> I know I don't have time for all of this - so just write if off as a
> one-time cost of $12.95 - with NO INVENTORY - you WILL use it eventually.
>
> Back to reality, I can see doing this if we were truly in the "retail"
> business.
>
> Duaine
>
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> Duaine Hechler
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> Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
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> Florissant, MO 63034
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>
>
Frank wrote ; It's not like you are paying tax on parts you bought to
eventually sell to customers.
That may be true for most of you however I live in Wisconsin, we have
something called "doomage" here a tax each year on business "property" which
includes tools, vehicles, office machines(computers, printers, etc.) &
inventory!

Mike

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Michael Magness
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