[pianotech] New string broke twice

[Noah Frere]

Wow - thanks! You guys are amazing. Thanks also to Ron and Bert and others
who did similarly.
I haven't done the calculations yet, but assuming they turn out the same, I
will probably go with JD's result and order both strings of the unison. I am
still confused as to why the other strings did not feel overly tense while
lowering and re-raising pitch. Perhaps the density of the wire was different
enough to account for the change. Or maybe the wire has relaxed over the
years and the breaking point is actually higher.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM, John Delacour <JD at pianomaker.co.uk> wrote:

> At 16:19 -0400 12/07/2011, Noah Frere wrote:
>
>  ...I'm thinking of ordering from a different company, being super careful
>> while replacing, and seeing what happens. If it works normally, I could call
>> Schaff and ask for a refund. If they refuse, no big deal.
>>
>
> Did you tell Schaff which note the string came from?  If not then they had
> no alternative but to make the string to pattern, since they lacked the data
> required to calculate whether the tension was too high.
>
>
>  FYI the strings that broke - and yes I mic'd them before installing - were
>> .040 core; .118 winding; hitch to winding 5 1/8"; winding length 30 3/4".
>> The new string will be the same lengths but .039 core and .116 winding.
>>
>
> So you have a core of 17.5 or 18 with the length of winding 77.1 cm. Let's
> add 3 cm to get the speaking length (which is the only relevant measurement)
> and we get 80 cm.
>
> O.116" (your lower figure) is 2.95 mm.  The tension you require to bring
> this string to pitch is 308 lbs. which is miles too high and the string is
> bound to break.
>
> Use a value of 19400 for K in the formula you find here:
>
> <http://pianomaker.co.uk/**technical/string_formulae/<http://pianomaker.co.uk/technical/string_formulae/>
> >
>
> and work out what diameter you need the string to be, considering that for
> mwg. 17.5 you should not exceed 70% or 300, ie. 210 lbs., 220 lbs. for mwg.
> 18.
>
> You will find that the proper overall diameter for the string is 0.093" or
> less if you use a #17.5 core.
>
> Do this every time you order an odd string and you will get no breakages.
>  Otherwise you have nobody to blame but yourself.
>
> JD
>
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