[pianotech] FW: RE: Pulley Keys

[Joseph Garrett]

Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
Captain of the Tool Police
Squares R I


> [Original Message]
> From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> To: johnparham at piano88.com <johnparham at piano88.com>
> Date: 9/6/2011 10:12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [pianotech] Pulley Keys
>
> John,
> Yes, on occasion, the darned stuff comes out. That usually occurs when
the keys are taken in/out several times. Or, if there is some foriegn
subsance, like graphite or Teflon or such, that retards the glue from
sticking to the key hole.This "repair" is one that is not meant to be
"permanent"! It's simply a stop-gap until the client agrees to do the job
right. As for severally elongated keys, this is NOT the answer. Veneer
shims are the answer there. Or...the inserts kit from , (I think his name
is Michael or something like that. I'll have to look that up in the
archives...that is, IF the archives still exist!<G>) It's my opinion, that
if the keys are essentially "trash", no amount of these repairs is going to
be as good as a new set of keys! Since I have Rick Wheeler close at hand,
it's not an issue. He does excellent work, btw. You might want to do an
article on his services.<G> (That's Roseland Piano Co.)
> Regards,
> Joe
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <johnparham at piano88.com>
> > To: <joegarrett at earthlink.net>; <pianotech at ptg.org>
> > Date: 9/6/2011 7:34:18 PM
> > Subject: RE: [pianotech] Pulley Keys
> >
> > Joe,
>
> "I simply lick the strip of travel
> paper and put it, glue side in, into the hole, about 1/16" in. If out in
> the field, I use my capstan wrench, (it's not really a "wrench", but a
> double tapered rod with one end with an angle bend), to size it into the
> hole and hold it in place until the glue sets up. (only takes a few
> minutes)"
>
> This almost sounds too easy. Have you ever had the travel papers become
> unstuck and slide out?
> Also, if you have to really build up an enlarged hole, you could use
> several papers stacked on top of each other. No issues using it this way
> either?
>
> So far this looks like something I'm going to use!
>
> -John Parham
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Pulley Keys
> > From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> > Date: Tue, September 06, 2011 4:23 pm
> > To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> > 
> > 
> > John P. asked: "From: <johnparham at piano88.com>
> > To: pianotech at ptg.org
> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Pulley Keys - was balance hole break-loose
> > noise
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> >  
> > Joe,
> >  
> > "insert gummed travel paper into the hole and
> > > force the pin down on it, to hold it in place, until the glue, (it's
> > > actually hide or fish glue, depending on the type of gummed paper you
> > > have.<G>), until the glue has sets."
> >  
> > I like this idea, but I have a few questions about your methodology:
> >  
> > Specifically, how do you insert the gummed paper into the balance rail
> > hole.
> > -ball it up and stuff it in?
> > -roll it up and carefully insert into the hole?
> > -put glue in paper first or after it's in the hole?
> > -size the hole with a spare balance rail pin or by putting key back on
> > the keyframe?
> >  
> > Thanks,"
> > 
> > John,
> > I start with the traveling paper that I have already cut into workable
> > sized strips. I keep them in all manner of little containers in the shop
> > and in my kits out in the field. Film cans are really good for that, (IF
> > you can find them anymore!<G>) The GUMMED paper I use, comes in large
rolls
> > that were, originally, used for sealing packages. (Another thing you are
> > hard pressed to find nowadays! btw, I have a life time
supply...plus<G>) I
> > spend some time with scissors and whack up a bunch as needed. I've
tried to
> > find a paper shredder that would do that laborious job, but all are too
> > wide for our uses. Having said all that, I simply lick the strip of
travel
> > paper and put it, glue side in, into the hole, about 1/16" in. If out in
> > the field, I use my capstan wrench, (it's not really a "wrench", but a
> > double tapered rod with one end with an angle bend), to size it into the
> > hole and hold it in place until the glue sets up. (only takes a few
> > minutes). While it's setting up I trim the end sticking out flush. Note:
> > most key balance holes have a slight counter-sink, which gives more
surface
> > for the travel paper to adhere to and not interfer with the key
function.
> > In the shop, I just use the set of balance pins to hold them in. BTW,
make
> > sure you ascertain the direction the key needs to be moved front/back!
Be
> > consistant where and how you install the travel paper, else you have
> > "Snaggle Tooth" keys. DAMHIK!
> > Regards,
> > Joe
> > P.S.
> > If you are planning to put this in the Journal, feel free to edit, but
> > don't leave out any necessary facts.<G> I would suggest you try this
out a
> > few times and then you'll have it perfected.<G>
> > G
> > 
> > 
> > Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
> > Captain of the Tool Police
> > Squares R I
>