[pianotech] FW: RE: Pulley Keys

[johnparham at piano88.com]

Joe,

Thanks for the detail and suggestion!

-John Parham

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [pianotech] FW: RE:  Pulley Keys
> From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> Date: Wed, September 07, 2011 1:13 am
> To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> 
> 
> Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
> Captain of the Tool Police
> Squares R I
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> > To: johnparham at piano88.com <johnparham at piano88.com>
> > Date: 9/6/2011 10:12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [pianotech] Pulley Keys
> >
> > John,
> > Yes, on occasion, the darned stuff comes out. That usually occurs when
> the keys are taken in/out several times. Or, if there is some foriegn
> subsance, like graphite or Teflon or such, that retards the glue from
> sticking to the key hole.This "repair" is one that is not meant to be
> "permanent"! It's simply a stop-gap until the client agrees to do the job
> right. As for severally elongated keys, this is NOT the answer. Veneer
> shims are the answer there. Or...the inserts kit from , (I think his name
> is Michael or something like that. I'll have to look that up in the
> archives...that is, IF the archives still exist!<G>) It's my opinion, that
> if the keys are essentially "trash", no amount of these repairs is going to
> be as good as a new set of keys! Since I have Rick Wheeler close at hand,
> it's not an issue. He does excellent work, btw. You might want to do an
> article on his services.<G> (That's Roseland Piano Co.)
> > Regards,
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: <johnparham at piano88.com>
> > > To: <joegarrett at earthlink.net>; <pianotech at ptg.org>
> > > Date: 9/6/2011 7:34:18 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [pianotech] Pulley Keys
> > >
> > > Joe,
> >
> > "I simply lick the strip of travel
> > paper and put it, glue side in, into the hole, about 1/16" in. If out in
> > the field, I use my capstan wrench, (it's not really a "wrench", but a
> > double tapered rod with one end with an angle bend), to size it into the
> > hole and hold it in place until the glue sets up. (only takes a few
> > minutes)"
> >
> > This almost sounds too easy. Have you ever had the travel papers become
> > unstuck and slide out?
> > Also, if you have to really build up an enlarged hole, you could use
> > several papers stacked on top of each other. No issues using it this way
> > either?
> >
> > So far this looks like something I'm going to use!
> >
> > -John Parham
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Pulley Keys
> > > From: "Joseph Garrett" <joegarrett at earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Tue, September 06, 2011 4:23 pm
> > > To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > John P. asked: "From: <johnparham at piano88.com>
> > > To: pianotech at ptg.org
> > > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Pulley Keys - was balance hole break-loose
> > > noise
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> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > >  
> > > "insert gummed travel paper into the hole and
> > > > force the pin down on it, to hold it in place, until the glue, (it's
> > > > actually hide or fish glue, depending on the type of gummed paper you
> > > > have.<G>), until the glue has sets."
> > >  
> > > I like this idea, but I have a few questions about your methodology:
> > >  
> > > Specifically, how do you insert the gummed paper into the balance rail
> > > hole.
> > > -ball it up and stuff it in?
> > > -roll it up and carefully insert into the hole?
> > > -put glue in paper first or after it's in the hole?
> > > -size the hole with a spare balance rail pin or by putting key back on
> > > the keyframe?
> > >  
> > > Thanks,"
> > > 
> > > John,
> > > I start with the traveling paper that I have already cut into workable
> > > sized strips. I keep them in all manner of little containers in the shop
> > > and in my kits out in the field. Film cans are really good for that, (IF
> > > you can find them anymore!<G>) The GUMMED paper I use, comes in large
> rolls
> > > that were, originally, used for sealing packages. (Another thing you are
> > > hard pressed to find nowadays! btw, I have a life time
> supply...plus<G>) I
> > > spend some time with scissors and whack up a bunch as needed. I've
> tried to
> > > find a paper shredder that would do that laborious job, but all are too
> > > wide for our uses. Having said all that, I simply lick the strip of
> travel
> > > paper and put it, glue side in, into the hole, about 1/16" in. If out in
> > > the field, I use my capstan wrench, (it's not really a "wrench", but a
> > > double tapered rod with one end with an angle bend), to size it into the
> > > hole and hold it in place until the glue sets up. (only takes a few
> > > minutes). While it's setting up I trim the end sticking out flush. Note:
> > > most key balance holes have a slight counter-sink, which gives more
> surface
> > > for the travel paper to adhere to and not interfer with the key
> function.
> > > In the shop, I just use the set of balance pins to hold them in. BTW,
> make
> > > sure you ascertain the direction the key needs to be moved front/back!
> Be
> > > consistant where and how you install the travel paper, else you have
> > > "Snaggle Tooth" keys. DAMHIK!
> > > Regards,
> > > Joe
> > > P.S.
> > > If you are planning to put this in the Journal, feel free to edit, but
> > > don't leave out any necessary facts.<G> I would suggest you try this
> out a
> > > few times and then you'll have it perfected.<G>
> > > G
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
> > > Captain of the Tool Police
> > > Squares R I
> >