[pianotech] dues payment fiasco

[David Skolnik]

I know five, no, three people who might dispute 
both adjectives, but panderers are some of my 
favorite people.  To wit: for you to say  "there 
is a lack of will" might be taken as a secret 
sign that you believe that the absence of you - 
Will- is the problem, thus, his suggestion.  Not 
likely.  But, given the opportunity to opt for a 
more constructive channeling of your rage, I 
still think it best to challenge the system by 
employing it, to the extreme.  Think: Americans 
for a Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow

David Skolnik





At 10:25 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
>David, no ire to you, you did not create the 
>problem.  I take you to be a serious and thoughtful person.Â
>
>I saw no levity in Wim’s response and still 
>don’t believe that it was intended that 
>way.  Which is why I called him on it.  But I 
>am not mad at Wim or anybody, including our 
>President.  I am deeply disappointed that we do 
>not seem to be moving towards solutions that fix 
>our problems, and that there is a lack of will to get us there.Â
>
>Will
>
>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org 
>[mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Skolnik
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:07 AM
>To: pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] dues payment fiasco
>
>At the risk of attracting some of Encore's 
>residual ire, I'll suggest that, just possibly, 
>Wimmy's intent, even if unsuccessful, was, like 
>my own: to lighten it up, just a bit.   I amused 
>myself by assuming the persona of someone whose 
>most significant response to his genuine 
>expression of exasperation and anger was that he 
>said 'shit'?   If, in fact, Wimster was serious, 
>I'll go back and hide.  Except, one more 
>thing.  By allowing the criticism of the HL 
>web-forum model to veer into a discussion of PTG 
>politics, which is the effect of Wim's comments, 
>we again ignore what had been an accepted 
>parameter of this list.  I know it's been 
>violated a lot recently, but I think people 
>should try harder.  Will's original comment 
>deserved to be heard by this group, but the 
>further discussion of the organizational 
>ramifications ought to go to  PTG-L.   Don't 
>y'all understand - you ptg members that are not 
>accessing that list, that your voice there has a 
>much greater impact on this issue?   Be 
>clear.  I'm not saying that the HL solution is a 
>solution, but every ptg member has access to 
>that list, and they need to hear from you 
>there.  I'm suggesting that anyone who has 
>trouble accessing the site should ask for help.  Here,
>or call the home office 913-432-9975
>or to to  <http://my.ptg.org/PTG/Home/>http://my.ptg.org/PTG/Home/
>or <http://www.ptg.org/>http://www.ptg.org/
>
>David Skolnik
>Hastings on Hudson, NY
>
>
>At 06:14 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
>
>Wow, Wim, you are on the nominating 
>committee.  That means you are in a position 
>to potentially affect the resolution of these 
>issues past the present administration, which is 
>meaningful since it is unlikely that anything 
>will get done while we have the present officers.Â
>
>Your comment to me is interesting.  You throw 
>it back at me as if I am a whiner and complainer 
>simply because it was almost impossible for me 
>to do one of the most important functions of our 
>organization – paying dues – and that despite 
>the fact that the he software barely functions 
>even when all my information was entered 
>correctly.  I see where your values lie – 
>completely ignore the problems by (shooting, 
>dissing) the messenger.  Should I take that to 
>mean that you simply don’t ¢t care whether 
>the software functions well, since you make no mention of the problems?Â
>
>Your requirement that anyone who complains has 
>to be nominated for President is unworkable I 
>think.  That would mean that about 1000 people 
>would have their names put into 
>nomination.  Nor do you seem to have any 
>interest in my core competencies to be the best 
>person for that job.  I submit that merely 
>complaining does not make me or anyone else fit 
>for the job, and you know almost nothing about me otherwise.
>
>Your comment is offhand and should not be taken 
>seriously.  And you disserve me and others by 
>ignoring the issues even as you are far more in 
>a position to do something about them than I.
>I think that it is legitimately within your 
>purview to seriously look for someone who can 
>skillfully focus on resolving software issues 
>along with having the other skills required to 
>be President.  I am not that person, but you 
>may be able to find someone who is.Â
>
>Most sincerely yours,
>
>Will Truitt
>
>
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org>pianotech-bounces at ptg.org 
>[ mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of 
><mailto:tnrwim at aol.com>tnrwim at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:53 PM
>To: <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] dues payment fiasco
>
>Will
>
>I'm on the Nominating Committee. I presume I'll 
>see your name entered as the nominee for 
>President? If not that ambitious, at least RVP?
>
>Wim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Encore Pianos 
><<mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net> encorepianos at metrocast.net>
>To: pianotech <<mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>pianotech at ptg.org>
>Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 5:37 pm
>Subject: [pianotech] dues payment fiasco
>[]
>
>Ok, so I am going to do some venting now.  I 
>just spent a frustrating 50 minutes trying to 
>pay my dues, and by some miracle was finally 
>able to actually do so.  It only took me about 
>50 tries to log in, although my username and 
>password information were entered correctly.  It 
>simply just kept going around in circles and 
>kept asking me for the same info on the page I 
>started with, again and again and 
>again.  Searching for help with this was the 
>same frustrating, counterintuitive, and all but 
>nonexistent effort that it was a year ago – it 
>is still the same broken piece of shit software 
>that it was when they introduced it and  nothing 
>meaningful has changed.  It still navigates like 
>the software was written by a bunch of 12 year 
>olds during recess – pretzel logic.
>
>That this monstrosity continues in its present 
>form is a shining testament to the mediocrity of 
>our leadership, where the only answer to our 
>problems are occasional platitudes and telling 
>us that if we were wise and good people, we 
>would learn to love these shackles.  After all, 
>they̢۪re just doing it for our own good.  p;
>
>I wish that I believed that our present 
>leadership is dealing with the problems with 
>Higher Idiotlogic software in a meaningful 
>manner, or even considers it important to make a 
>serious, ongoing and ultimately constructive 
>effort to resolve the issues, and  actually make 
>using it something less excruciating than 
>dragging your fingernails across a chalk 
>board.  Nor do I believe they will make the 
>effort to move to something else if the issues 
>cannot be resolved, no matter how inferior the 
>product is.  After a year of this, I have lost my faith in them.
>Will Truitt
>
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