[pianotech] Old can of worms (was Re: tunelab vs verituner)

[Paul Williams]

Amen, David!

We're not out to flunk anybody!  We want more RPT's!  We encourage those
of you who want to better their skills and to meet some sort of
'standard'!  If you don't want that, then keep it to yourself and just
continue what you're doing.

As a matter of fact, I had to take the aural twice 20 years ago.  As the
examiners were checking the various stages in my test, they would comment
and help me on how to hear the problems I was facing...mostly the tenor
and very high treble.  One examiner actually invited me for some further
private tutoring to make sure I passed it the second time, which I did!

We don't want to beat anyone up, really!  Please take the help as just
that; HELP!

At least for me, I don't "look down my nose" at those who aren't RPT's,
but wish they would ask for help....or,  if they're just happy where they
are and don't want the acronym after their names, then go for it, and quit
whining about the classifications.

It's interesting that those who whine the most on this topic are either
not interested in improving nor are even members of PTG.

Paul



On 5/7/12 2:13 PM, "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> wrote:

>We can handle damn.
>
>But I agree, some well focused practice would probably do the trick.  If
>you can tune a clean unison aurally, then you can tune the whole piano
>with a little direction and practice.  In fact, if you own an ETD it
>offers a perfect way to practice until you get it right if you want to
>spend the time.  What are the requirements now for those who want to take
>the RPT exam and use an ETD?  I proctored an exam awhile ago in which the
>tech (who passed btw) tuned pretty much everything but unisons with the
>ETD.  I don't now recall what the aural requirements were for him but
>certainly it was less than when I took the exam.
>
>RPT standards have to be set somewhere otherwise the classification
>doesn't mean anything (and in reality, in terms of the quality of service
>delivered, it doesn't necessarily mean much).  It seems like passing any
>of the sections is not really that difficult with some proper preparation
>and practice.  You just have to take the time--like anything else.  The
>preparation alone will tell you much about where you are deficient in
>several areas and gives you an opportunity to bring those up to snuff.
>
>Keep in mind that the examiners aren't out to trick you or try and flunk
>you, they want people to pass.  It isn't like the bar exam in which only
>a certain number of lawyers are allowed into the club in any one year.
>
>David Love
>www.davidlovepianos.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
>Behalf Of Gary
>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 11:04 AM
>To: pianotech at ptg.org
>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Old can of worms (was Re: tunelab vs verituner)
>
>Duaine, I'm certainly no prude..but I find no use for using swear words
>on this list.  My vocabulary is likely more salty than anyone's in
>person, but in an email to my peers, there's no reason.
>If you put as much energy into learning aural tuning as you doing
>complaining about the test, you could probably pass it.
>gary
>
>
>
>On 5/7/2012 11:54 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
>> Sorry, but I will never get past this, as long as the organization
>> still has the - damn - aural tuning test !
>>
>> Just sayin'
>>
>> On 05/07/2012 09:31 AM, David Love wrote:
>>> I thought we've gotten past this.  I know many professionals who tune
>>> with ETDs and don't necessarily do aural checks other than unisons.
>>> And I know a few aural tuners who don't necessarily deliver very good
>>> tunings in spite of all their aural checks.
>>>
>>> David Love
>>> www.davidlovepianos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Duaine Hechler
>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 12:21 AM
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Subject: [pianotech] Old can of worms (was Re: tunelab vs verituner)
>>>
>>> On 05/07/2012 12:45 AM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote:
>>>> Duane.
>>>>
>>>> A "real" professional piano tuner uses  a ETD, and then checks it
>>>> aurally. Those that only uses a ETD are just taking money from
>>>> customers to tune the piano. That doesn't necessarily make them a
>>>> professional.
>>>>
>>>> Wim
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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