[pianotech] CTE's - what are you thoughts? (continuation of Re: Old can of worms)

[Avery Todd]

I'm curious to know if things have changed in the last several years. When
I was a CTE, the master tuning was done totally aurally by a CTE as best
he/she could. Then two others came in and they all three went over the
tuning with a fine tooth comb to make it as good an aural tuning as
possible for that particular piano. Then that was recorded into the ETD.and
became the Master Tuning against which other tunings were measured.

And to even become a CTE, one's tuning had to be done totally aurally and
score 90 or above in ALL categories. Maybe others did it differently but in
Houston, that's the way it was done at that time. Admittedly, that was
several years ago and maybe things are different now. But I became a CTE
with a totally aural tuning. No ETD's allowed for the tuning itself.
Avery Todd
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Renaud <drjazzca at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, your wrong, yes it is scored with aural criteria, are the
> intervals"pleasing" aurally,
> Or do they offend.
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> Here is how it works.
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> The scoring computer program "earmarks" notes outside parameters, That may
> of may not become Deductions.  Only one of the 3 examiners know what the
> computer scoring program says. The other 2 people on the examination team
> do not have a clue what the computer scoring program says.  The one
> examiner that knows where the earmarked notes are will request particular
> notes at his discretion to be aurally checked. The others do not know if it
> is a good note, bad note, flat or sharp, no clue. They check the note
> carefully with purely aural checks.
> They must determine on their own if it is flat, sharp, or good. The
> candidate can defend where he put the note. The other two examiners must
> agree it is flat, or that it is sharp, and agree with the computer program
> correctly or the deduction is thrown out.
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>       So notes that are outside parameters, but are "pleasing" , balancing
> intervals well, can and are often thrown out. Bad notes are verified
> aurally in a blind test. Pleasing notes can brown out, and not become
> deductions.
>
>      Smart test. Good exercise.
>      Bad notes are proven in this blind aural testing for "pleasing
> balanced intervals"
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>                                               Dave Renaud
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> Sent from my iPad
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>  On 2012-05-12, at 3:26 PM, "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> > Except that the exam is not scored on "pleasing". It is scored on
> objective criteria the foundations of which are laid down electronically.
> If pleasing were the criteria for passing the exam then we would expect to
> see no deductions for musical sounding well temperaments or octave
> stretching which exceeds the exam protocols which many will say are much
> more conservative than they use in real life.
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Mark Dierauf
> > Sender: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org
> > To: pianotech at ptg.org
> > ReplyTo: pianotech at ptg.org
> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] CTE's - what are you thoughts? (continuation of
> Re: Old can of worms)
> > Sent: May 12, 2012 11:41 AM
> >
> > Bingo! What he said!
> >
> > - Mark
> >
> > On 5/12/2012 11:19 AM, Kent Swafford wrote:
> >>
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> >> Pianos are tuned for the benefit of music, an aural art. Regardless of
> >> the methods used to accomplish a finely tuned piano, the results are,
> >> in the end, expected to be _aurally_ pleasing. Perhaps the current
> >> exam reflects that simple fact.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kent
> >
> >
> >
> > David Love
> > www.davidlovepianos.com
> > (sent from bb)
>
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