[pianotech] Stretch in Tuning(s)

[Joseph Garrett]

Les,
NO! It is all relevant to one thing: The Musicality of the Instrument!
Machines are TOOLS!  Just like pianos, no two are alike. That's all.
Joe


> [Original Message]
> From: Leslie Bartlett <l-bartlett at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <joegarrett at earthlink.net>; <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Date: 5/26/2012 8:40:08 AM
> Subject: RE: [pianotech] Stretch in Tuning(s)
>
> Jim Coleman  has been quoted as saying "The closer in value a piano is to
> $100,000, the better the ETD tuning will be."  I tend to think that Jim
> Coleman is a reasonable authority.  MY original question had to do with
> matching tunings between ETD's.  I tuned a piano yesterday which came from
> Arizona, and had FAC numbers written on the plate.....  I use Tunelab.  I
> found a tuning combination which came close to his Acutuner settings but
not
> exact. His tuning was very consistent, even after several years, but at
the
> top I just came out differently with TL.  I want to know if there are ways
> to very closely match other machines all the way through.  It wasn't a
> musical question.  I also passed my tuning test rather decently as an
aural
> tuner, and though I have to use hearing aids, my last pass is always
aural.
> So, can this particular question be kept in the realm it was intended-
> strictly a practical mechanical/electronic arena, and leave the "what is
> musical" stuff for somewhere else. In a sense that is not relevant to my
> question. 
> Thanks
> Les Bartlett 
> Houston
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
Behalf
> Of Joseph Garrett
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:49 PM
> To: pianotech
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Stretch in Tuning(s)
>
> Duaine said:
> "Well, IMHO, at least Cybertuner does. Because before you start tuning,
you
> sample all the A's, which no only tells how 
> far off the tuning is, but also registers the inharmonicity, etc. Plus
> allows - 9 - standard settings for stretch as 
> well as allowing for custom settings. Plus, also, allows for setting to
> listening to certain partials."
>
> And if you think I swallow that, I've got some good bottom land for you.
> That assumes that that takes in the whole gammit of every kind of
> inharmonicity....Which it does not! I get real tired of listening to
> supposed techs that think that Aural is the only way and/or The Machine is
> the absolute way! Sheesh! If you do not know how to tune, at a reasonable
> level, Aurally, then the machine is going to take you down the dumb path
of
> trying to convince you that it's "formulae" is the BEST way to tune a
> piano. It just ain't so! I passed my RPT exam, Aurally. I use an ETD. It
is
> a tool,....nothing more/nothing less! It helps me to be very close.
> However, it does NOT make a piano MUSICAL! Yes, it can make a spinet as
> good as it can be. (Don't waste your TIME trying to get it much better.
> Simply spinning your wheels there. The reality is: the machine, PLUS good
> Aural Skills will help you to be a good, consistant tuner that puts out a
> MUSICAL tuning, almost every time! That's the bottom line. 
> All this B.S. about "Stretch" and "Wow" tunings from the Aural Crowd and
> the "Perfect" "whatever" from the ETD crowd is just a whole lot of B.S.
> Bluster, imo. There are damned few techs that really have a right to lord
> over you, their way of doing it. Those are USUALLY the head instructors at
> the National! The George Defenbaugh/Jim Colemans of our organization are a
> couple of those. The rest, just want to make their own ego prevail. (Flack
> suit firmly zipped up! Along with a good set of ear plugs!<G>)
> IF anyone wishes to discuss different tuning philosophies and methods,
> that's the way we help each other to improve our skills. That's what it's
> all about. However, anything more/less than that is just B.S. imo.<G> BTW,
> if you have 10 tuners in a room, you will get, at least,...20 different
> opinions. Especially, when it comes to tunings.<G>
> That's my take on it.
> Joe
>
>
> Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
> Captain of the Tool Police
> Squares R I
>
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