[pianotech] Young Chang PG-185

[Stephen Grattan]

Thanks Del!
 
Steve Grattan
Lost Chord Clinic




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From: Delwin D Fandrich <del at fandrichpiano.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Fri, September 14, 2012 3:16:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185


That’s not the only thing on their website that is out of date.
 
ddf
 
Delwin D Fandrich
Piano Design & Fabrication
6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA
Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525
del at fandrichpiano.com — ddfandrich at gmail.com
 
From:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of 
Stephen Grattan
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:36 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185
 
Hi Del,
 
Their website still shows the Pramberger name. Sorry for any confusion!
 
Steve Grattan
Lost Chord Clinic
 
 

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From:Delwin D Fandrich <del at fandrichpiano.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Fri, September 14, 2012 2:25:46 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185

Young Chang does not currently manufacture pianos using the Pramberger name. 
When the takeover by Samick was ruled illegal under Korean law Young Chang 
retained the designs but Samick purchased the rights to the name from 
Pramberger's estate. Young Chang still had considerable inventory of pianos 
bearing the Pramberger name and they continued to sell those. Some dealers may 
still have Young Chang-built pianos using the Pramberger name but I don't think 
there are any left at the Young Chang warehouse. 


All of the Pramberger designs have now been replaced and the pianos currently 
being manufactured by Young Chang are going in a different, unique to Young 
Chang, direction. 


ddf

Delwin D Fandrich
Piano Design & Fabrication
6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA
Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525
del at fandrichpiano.com — ddfandrich at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of 
Paul McCloud
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:33 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185

Hi, Steve:
Interesting.  The store I worked for sold YC products for many years, but is now 
closed, so I've lost track of their product line.  YC has had their challenges, 
but they have served the public well with a decent piano for a reasonable 
price.  I'm surprised that, in spite of the name sold to Samick, YC can still 
manufacture a piano under the Pramberger name. 


Best regards,

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Grattan" <lostchordclinic at ameritech.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185




Hi Paul, 

When Samick purchased the Pramberger name from Mr. Prambergers widow- all they 
got was the name and not the design or intellectual rights. They put the name on 
one of their stock designs at the time. The Pramberger design continues to be 
manufactured and sold by YC as Pramberger Signature Series. 


Steve Grattan 
Lost Chord Clinic 





From: Paul McCloud <pmc033 at earthlink.net> 
To: pianotech at ptg.org 
Sent: Fri, September 14, 2012 9:33:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 

Hi, Noah: 
I agree with Dean. The original Pramberger series from Y.C. was definitely a 
huge improvement from the G series. There were some issues that cropped up in 
them a few years later, mainly in the action, like twisting hammer shanks and 
other things I don't remember. Nothing really serious. You know that Mr. 
Pramberger was a third generation Steinway engineer, and he incorporated many of 
the design features of Steinway pianos in his redesign of these Pramberger 
pianos. One was the tapering of the soundboard, which Steinway does by hand. The 
Pramberger design used a CNC router for this. It really made the bass a lot 
clearer and deeper. The tone across he break was very smooth. But, you do need 
to check everything carefully. I don't think these had the same heavy hammer/key 
lead problems that the G series seemed to have, and of course, they don't have 
the famous action bracket problem either. 

I think Samick got the Pramberger designs from Young Chang in their merger years 
ago, so I'm not sure if they're still being made and sold with the same name. 

It is a shame that Joseph Pramberger died a few years ago at a relatively young 
age. He was a very humble guy, down to earth. He came to our store once, to 
demonstrate the new pianos he was redesigning. He explained his philosophy and 
intent for his new ideas, and how he came to work for Young Chang. He joked that 
he had to be careful about mentioning anything to anybody over there, because 
they would take every idea seriously and implement it immediately. One of the 
things he said of his pianos was that he didn't want to build a camel. Meaning, 
he wanted to make every feature of the piano an integrated whole, not just 
something that was thrown in haphazardly, as some animals like camels seem to 
be. His analogy, not mine. In his demonstration, he showed how he used a "thump" 
test to determine where to thin the soundboard and change other parameters to 
get the best sound response from the board. It was an interesting talk, made to 
the local techs and any piano teachers that were interested. 

Go check it out. 
FWIW, my take. 
Paul McCloud 
San Diego 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Noah Frere" < noahfrere at gmail.com > 
To: pianotech at ptg.org 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:13:12 AM 
Subject: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 

First, an apology for having lost my Pierce Piano Atlas. 

My research online indicates that the PG-185 was designed by Pramberger, and 
therefore must be a 1995 or later model. However, another tech dated this piano 
with serial #G054761 as a 1990. 


Furthermore, is this model significantly better than the G series? Is this a 
good piano? I know someone who may want to buy it, but it's in another city 
3hours away so I don't want to just hop over there just yet. 


Thanks, 
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