I suspect that Duaine is not making a distinction here between viruses written for Linux and those written for Windows. Will Truitt -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Duaine Hechler Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:36 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software misconceptions They still - try - to invade - meaning they are still took in to the system (on your hard drive and/or in your email), however, they are ignored by Linux because Linux has no idea - what - to do with them. Whereas, Windows will take them in - and - start them to run. Is this better ? Duaine On 01/10/2013 12:34 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote: > Duaine > Perhaps I'm not explaining what I don't understand. There are viruses. > The viruses invade computers. Some computers run on Windows. Some computers run on Linux. Why don't the viruses invade computers that run on Linux? > Wim > -----Original Message----- > From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> > To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> > Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 5:40 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software > misconceptions > > As I said before, Linux does not know how to operate on windows > software and supporting files (like Word & Excel macros) so they are > ignored. > > This is way you have to have a virtualization software (VirtualBox) to > actually be able to run Windows OS within Linux. > > Graphically: Linux - VirtualBox - Windows xx > > I'm not sure how else to explain it. > > Duaine > > On 01/09/2013 10:59 PM,tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com> wrote: > > That's a copout. Back to my original question. Why isn't Linux > > effected by > viruses? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net>> > > To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org>> > > Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:44 pm > > Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software > > misconceptions > > > > Magic of the "computer age" ! > > > > On 01/09/2013 08:25 PM,tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com> <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>> wrote: > > > How can it do that? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> > <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>> wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, correct. > > >> > > >> Duaine > > >> > > >> On 01/09/2013 06:36 PM,tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com> <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>> wrote: > > >>> Duaine. I understand that concept. But a virus is an outside > > >>> "part" that > > effects both systems, kind of like humidity causes both to go out of > > tune. So are you saying Linux is not effected by "humidity" changes, > > or outside > viruses? > > >>> > > >>> Wim > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> > <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Well.....lets put it this way............. > > >>>> > > >>>> Since you know the difference between "uprights" and "grands"....... > > >>>> > > >>>> Say Windows is equal to grands and say Linux / UNIX / Mac is > > >>>> equal to > > uprights. > > >>>> > > >>>> And lets assume that there are absolutely NO parts can cross > > >>>> into each > > other - that's how it is between Windows vs. Linux / UNIX / Mac. > > >>>> > > >>>> So Windows viruses / worms / etc will not work (fit onto) on > > >>>> Linux / UNIX > / > > Mac. > > >>>> > > >>>> Is this any clearer ? > > >>>> > > >>>> Duaine > > >>>> > > >>>> On 01/09/2013 12:20 PM,tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com> <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>> wrote: > > >>>>> Duaine > > >>>>> You say it's fairly simple. But I have no idea what you're > > >>>>> saying. You > > might think it's simple, but you're explaining how to listen to > > beats between notes to someone who is deaf. But thanks for trying. > > >>>>> Wim > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>> > > >>>>> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>>> > > >>>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10 pm > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Possible antivirus software > > >>>>> misconceptions > > >>>>> > > >>>>> After thought........... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Way back in 2003, I found out that Microsoft is hiding behind > > >>>>> Linux > boxes > > to > > >>>>> protect their own butts from getting viruses / worms / etc. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 01/08/2013 12:31 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote: > > >>>>>> It's fairly simple......... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Other OS'es like Linux and Mac (since it is a derivative of > > >>>>>> UNIX / > Linux) > > have > > >>>>> no idea what to do with "Windows" virus > > >>>>>> / worms, etc. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> To get a little deeper in to it.......... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> "___.bat" "____.exe" "___.dll" are "executables" and Linux / > UNIX > > do > > >>>>> NOT know how to operate on these types of > > >>>>>> executables, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The Linux / UNIX "___.so" is more or less equivalent of the "___.dll" > in > > >>>>> Windows. > > >>>>>> And, any of the MS Office macros are ignored by Linux's > > >>>>>> OpenOffice / > > >>>>> LibreOffice. > > >>>>>> As I've stated many times before, I'm going on 13+ years with > > >>>>>> NO > > antivirus > > >>>>> software - and - NO viruses / worms / etc. > > >>>>>> Oh, and yes, there are antivirus software packages for Linux > > >>>>>> / UNIX, > > which > > >>>>> referencing above, I have never used one > > >>>>>> (even though, I'm connected to the internet 24/7 and download > > >>>>>> stuff all > > the > > >>>>> time). > > >>>>>> Duaine > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> P.S. There is a program called VirtualBox (virtualbox.org) > > >>>>>> that I run > > within > > >>>>> Linux to run a virtual "real" copy of > > >>>>>> Windows XP - for all my "windows" needs. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 01/08/2013 11:36 AM,tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com> <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>> > <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?> <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com <mailto:tnrwim at aol.com?>?>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Duaine > > >>>>>>> you said. > > >>>>>>> "SO bottom line, antivirus software is as good as the ONLY > > >>>>>>> known > viruses > > >>>>>>> - thus being forever in "responsive" or "reactive" mode. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Furthermore, the ONLY way to get out of this "reactionary" > > >>>>>>> or "catch > 22" > > >>>>>>> mode is to get off Windows." > > >>>>>>> If the anti virus software only catches known viruses on > > >>>>>>> Windows, > > wouldn't > > >>>>> anti virus software only catch known > > >>>>>>> viruses on any other operating system? What's the difference? > > >>>>>>> Wim > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> > <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?>>> > > >>>>>>> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org> <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>> > <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?> <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org <mailto:pianotech at ptg.org?>?>>> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:16 am > > >>>>>>> Subject: [pianotech] Possible antivirus software > > >>>>>>> misconceptions > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> When my brother-in-law was still on Windows using AVG > > >>>>>>> antivirus software, he kept complaining about STILL getting viruses, worms, etc. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> In case you didn't know, antivirus software is a "reactionary" > > >>>>>>> software package. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> They ONLY handle KNOWN viruses, worms, etc. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Meaning that if someone writes a NEW virus and it infects > > >>>>>>> your computers, you can't blame it on the antivirus software > > >>>>>>> (because they don't know about it yet). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> That virus that just hit you (and others) has to be reported > > >>>>>>> and/or discovered by the antivirus software companies. THEN > > >>>>>>> they have to > write > > >>>>>>> a "trap" for that virus, THEN roll it out to you as an update. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> SO bottom line, antivirus software is as good as the ONLY > > >>>>>>> known > viruses > > >>>>>>> - thus being forever in "responsive" or "reactive" mode. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Furthermore, the ONLY way to get out of this "reactionary" > > >>>>>>> or "catch > 22" > > >>>>>>> mode is to get off Windows. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Duaine Hechler > > >>>>>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & > > >>>>>>>Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 > > >>>>>>> (314) 838-5587 > > >>>>>>>dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?> > <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?>> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?> > > > <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?>?>> > > >>>>>>>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > > <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Duaine Hechler > > >>>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > > >>>>> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> > <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>?>> > > /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > > >>>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Duaine Hechler > > >>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > > >>>> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> > /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > > >>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Duaine Hechler > > >> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > > >> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> > /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > > >> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Duaine Hechler > > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > > (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> > /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > > Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > > > > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> > /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> > Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler at att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years
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