[pianotech] Worst Bass/Tenor Crossover in Universe

[David Love]

I'm reminded of Basil Willey's great quote:

"It is almost insuperably difficult to become critically conscious of one's
own habitual assumptions."  And bad habits, I suppose we can add to that.
Or, it's better that your karma runs over your dogma than your dogma runs
over your karma.  

Of course there is friction between the string and the bridge top.  Even our
most informed Wikipedia physicists will have to acknowledge that.  Whether
it's enough to make a practical difference is the question.  But whether it
does or doesn't, it's still there.  

It would be nice if people who visit the list could conduct themselves more
like guests than landlords.      

David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Encore Pianos
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:54 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Worst Bass/Tenor Crossover in Universe

You are ignoring the obvious now, Ron.  It is not about what was said, it's
about the poor manners that accompanied those remarks.  I think that was
very clear in my reply.  

I do understand the difference between reason and belief, why would you
assume otherwise?  What I said was this, " There are many who use no surface
lube because they do not believe that it has any effect on the movement of
the strings across the  surface of the bridge."  I made no distinction
between mere belief (faith) and belief that is supported by hard evidence
(knowledge).  Your remarks are based on the good science and math that you
have done.  That is fine and contributes to the discussion.  And it is
demonstrably true that there are rebuilders and piano makers out there who
do not believe that surface lubricants have a meaningful effect on the
sliding friction of the string across the bridge - I believe you are one of
those people (there I go
again!)

To your point:  I believe that the earth rotates around the sun.  That
belief is based upon literally centuries of scientific evidence.  It is a
belief - not merely belief, but one that is based upon a body of evidence
that unalterably leads to the conclusion that the earth rotates around the
sun.    One definition of belief, as provided by Merriam-Webster online:  "
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or
phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence"

You are tilting at windmills, Ron.  

Thank you for the ongoing condescending and derisive remarks in your reply
below.  You make my point about your bad manners for me - it is not mere
belief anymore!  Abusive persons will always find a reason to blame the
object of their contempt for their own bad behavior.  

Will 



-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Ron Nossaman
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:09 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Worst Bass/Tenor Crossover in Universe

On 1/10/2013 10:49 AM, Encore Pianos wrote:
> Ron:
>
> Is it just possible that you could write a reply without being snarky?

Is it possible for you to understand and acknowledge the difference between
reason and belief? There is a difference, you know. One requires evidence of
some sort, where the other requires nothing whatsoever in qualification.
This being a technical field, and these being at least nominally technical
questions and discussions, I consider it rather important to have some
rational reasoning and yes, even a smattering of science and physics behind
the discussions. I'm sorry if this offends you, but it offends me to have a
rational reality based comment described as a belief.

Ron N