[CAUT] Re-stringing Steinway D

[Thomas Russell]

Thanks for all the input on restringing and pinblocks.  A couple  
responders indicated that they use Arledge bass strings.  Any other  
opinions on using something other than Steinway bass strings?

Thomas Russell



On Dec 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, caut-request at ptg.org wrote:

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>    1. Re: re-stringing Steinway D: pinblock preparation (Jeff Tanner)
>    2.  Wapin Seminar Report (RicB)
>    3.   Wapin Seminar Report (RicB)
>    4. Re: re-stringing Steinway D: pinblock preparation (Ken  
> Zahringer)
>    5. Re: re-stringing Steinway D: pinblock preparation (Jeff Tanner)
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> From: Jeff Tanner <jtanner at mozart.sc.edu>
> Date: December 4, 2006 3:33:06 PM CST
> To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] re-stringing Steinway D: pinblock preparation
> Reply-To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
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> On Dec 4, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Jim Busby wrote:
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>> Jeff,
>>
>>
>>
>> Even with new agraffes I would still do the Paul Revenko-Jones’  
>> polishing. Since doing that it has made a big difference on our  
>> pianos. (Much less buzzing, rattling annoyances, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Busby BYU
>>
>>
> No argument with that.  I'm just amazed that any tone at all was  
> able to be produced by some of the junk agraffes I've been finding  
> in our Steinways from the late 60s and early 70s.  Unfortunately, I  
> don't have a way of taking a pictures.  Few were drilled in a  
> straight line.  Many have no bevel in the hole at all -- just  
> drilled straight through.  A reamer and flitz won't do much for  
> that.   It's $186 (D) and a couple hours or so well spent to  
> replace them.
>
> Jeff Tanner, RPT
> University of South Carolina
>
>
>
>
> From: RicB <ricb at pianostemmer.no>
> Date: December 4, 2006 3:50:08 PM CST
> To: caut at ptg.org
> Subject: [CAUT]  Wapin Seminar Report
> Reply-To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
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>
> Hi Tim
>
> Thanks muchly for your detailed and complete report.  I did'nt want  
> to get into hyping Wapin all that much ahead of time when you  
> brought this up last time, but to be sure I had rather expected you  
> would return with an enthusiastic report.
> Much of the skepticism directed against Wapin has to do with what  
> basically comes down to head scratching, or so it seems often  
> enough to me.  When it comes down to it tho, observation is one  
> thing and being able to what is observed is really quite another.   
> We can wonder all day long just how Wapin does what it does....   
> but it really is not so difficult or time consuming to confirm it  
> has a <<profound>> as you put it affect. All one needs is an open  
> mind and a healthy portion of curiosity.
>
> In any case, your experience echoes my own.  And frankly when I  
> stop to think of it.... I have a hard time imagining why  
> rearranging the bridge pins in the fashion would/could  not have a  
> profound effect.
>
> I still have some questions that I'd like to see (dispassionately)  
> discussed thats for sure, but as the song goes... I'm a believer.
> Thanks again.
>
> Cheers
> RicB
>
>
>
>
> From: RicB <ricb at pianostemmer.no>
> Date: December 4, 2006 3:52:06 PM CST
> To: caut at ptg.org
> Subject: [CAUT]   Wapin Seminar Report
> Reply-To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
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>
> Grin... sxuse me... that last post should have been addressed to   
> Mark, and not Tim of course.
>
> Cheers
> RicB
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken Zahringer <ZahringerK at missouri.edu>
> Date: December 4, 2006 5:11:06 PM CST
> To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] re-stringing Steinway D: pinblock preparation
> Reply-To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
>
>
> That’s interesting, Jeff.  Maybe the mode of removal doesn’t make  
> as much difference as I thought.  I have restrung without replacing  
> the block only twice in the last 10 years or so, and both times I  
> didn’t handle the pins until I had backed them all out, by which  
> time they had apparently cooled off.  Both pianos still tune great,  
> though.  There’s always something to learn out there.
>
> Ken Z.
>
>
> On 12/4/06 2:14 PM, "Jeff Tanner" <jtanner at mozart.sc.edu> wrote:
>
> On Dec 2, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Ken Zahringer wrote:
>
> If you’re absolutely committed to keeping the original block,  
> here’s my two cents worth:
> Remove the old pins with a brace or ratchet, not an electric  
> drill.  It’s more work, but it keeps the heat down and won’t glaze  
> the hole.
> Ken,
> I'll have to take issue with this.  Another technician here showed  
> me exactly the opposite just recently.  Removing the pins with a  
> brace (or even a T-stringing hammer) got the pins so hot you  
> couldn't hold them.  The electric drill didn't give them time to  
> get hot.  They were warm, but you could hold them.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Tanner, RPT
> University of South Carolina
>
> -- 
> Ken Zahringer, RPT
> Piano Technician
> MU School of Music
> 297 Fine Arts
> 882-1202
> cell 489-7529
>
> From: Jeff Tanner <jtanner at mozart.sc.edu>
> Date: December 5, 2006 10:48:06 AM CST
> To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] re-stringing Steinway D: pinblock preparation
> Reply-To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org>
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Ken Zahringer wrote:
>
>> That’s interesting, Jeff.  Maybe the mode of removal doesn’t make  
>> as much difference as I thought.  I have restrung without  
>> replacing the block only twice in the last 10 years or so, and  
>> both times I didn’t handle the pins until I had backed them all  
>> out, by which time they had apparently cooled off.  Both pianos  
>> still tune great, though.  There’s always something to learn out  
>> there.
>>
>> Ken Z.
>
>
> We have 18 Steinway grands from the late 60's to 1978.  All the  
> blocks are fine - in many cases better than many of our '94 models,  
> but in our mostly humid environment we have some badly corroded  
> wire.  Also, inadequate budgets, lack of space and proper tools  
> don't allow for pinblock replacements right now, so we have to get  
> as much bang for our buck as we can and restring with larger pins.   
> (I don't know if having only 1 Steinway that predates teflon makes  
> us more or less fortunate.)
>
> Yes, I would have thought the electric drill would have created  
> more heat.  I'd always backed the pins out with hand tools before.   
> But the high speed drill backed them out in a fraction of a second  
> each.  There simply wasn't time for the friction to create as much  
> heat.  On the other hand, if it had been a slower speed drill, I  
> expect the temp would have been higher.
>
> I learned something too!
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Tanner, RPT
> University of South Carolina
>
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