[CAUT] caut Digest, Vol 1092, Issue 50

Wolfley, Eric (wolfleel) WOLFLEEL at UCMAIL.UC.EDU
Mon Nov 27 14:17:45 MST 2006


Michael & Jim,

 

I can't remember replacing one broken string on a wapinized piano here
though others might have. We keep broken string records so we can keep
track of where we need to go back and pull strings up to pitch so it
wouldn't be too hard to go back and check how the wapin  pianos have
been doing in comparison to the others. We have a Steinway L here in a
practice room that is notorious for breaking strings and we could try
wapinizing the top 2 treble sections to see how it holds up in
comparison to its past record. In a two year span we splice about a
dozen strings on this piano and I've been restringing those two sections
about every two years. This piano has been breaking a lot of bass
strings also so we put a set of Arledge strings on it and not one has
broken yet...sounds better too. 

 

Eric

 

Eric Wolfley, RPT 
Head Piano Technician 
Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music 
University of Cincinnati 

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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Michael Wathen
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:19 AM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] caut Digest, Vol 1092, Issue 50

 

Jim,

 

One common reason for string breakage is that the speaking length of the
string is not correct.  If that is the case then increasing or changing
the diameter will have no effect. I don't offhand know the calculation
but I do remember that it is independent of the diameter of the string.
I remember that a few years ago we, on the list, people predicted the
pitch at which different size diameters of strings would break for note
C8.  If I remember correctly we verified this result. It made no
difference what the string diameter was they all broke around the same
pitch.

 

  Let me suggest that you restring the section or sections and modify
the bridge with Wapin.  Very easy to do if you're restringing anyway.  

 

I'm not sure about this and perhaps Eric or Lawrence could respond.
There are a number of practice room pianos at CCM that have Wapin on
them.  I have a hunch that Wapin will also reduce string breakage.  The
practice room pianos have had Wapin on them for over ten years now.  I
wonder if the string breakage is less on these pianos.

 

Michael Wathen

 

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	Hi Bill

	 

	I am replying to the problem of strings breaking on the Kawai
KG2 e,c,d,ect. Changing the strings will not eliminate the problem, but
it will slow up at first. what seems to have worked for me is when I
restrung the piano I went down 1/2 size on the wire and gage them
slightly heavy letoff and have lost only 4 strings in 10

	years This piano is in a heavy used classroom.

	 

	Walter Oventrop RPT SLPS 

	 

	 
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	   1. Re: breaking strings, Kawai KG-2A (1997) (Jim Busby)

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Re: [CAUT] breaking strings, Kawai KG-2A (1997)

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Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:20 PM

	Hi,

	 

	I haven't measured it but the angle looks "normal" (within
range), but I will check it along with the other things you mentioned.
Good list.

	 

	We keep the hammers shaped and voiced regularly so I don't
believe it is that. Since it is mostly the Kawais that break more I'm
suspicious of "scaling anomalies" and such, but since having several
"CAUT witnesses" of the string fatigue diagnosis my bet is it's probably
that. 

	 

	Thanks again,

	Jim Busby BYU

	 

	
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	From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On
Behalf Of Geoffrey Pollard
	Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:23 AM
	To: College and University Technicians
	Subject: Re: [CAUT] breaking strings, Kawai KG-2A (1997)

	 

	Hello Jim,
	
	I would try to get a good handle on front duplex to capo string
angles as part of information gathering during rescaling. It is not
unknown for this angle to be excessive in Kawai piano trebles at times.
If the angles are OK (11 - 20 degrees - perhaps using Ron N's device
shown in his 9/11/06 post on this list) - then wire fatigue, hard
hammers, flat hammers, scaling anomalies, capo profile, string cushion
friction (in no particular order) are some likely culprits in my view.
	
	Regards,
	Geoffrey Pollard
	
	
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	From: caut-bounces at ptg.org on behalf of Jim Busby
	Sent: Tue 11/21/2006 12:20 PM
	To: College and University Technicians
	Subject: [CAUT] breaking strings, Kawai KG-2A (1997)
	
	List,
	
	
	
	We have four KG-2As that now break strings regularly (weekly) in
octaves
	5-7. The bass is also becoming "thumpy". Granted, they are very
heavily
	used (Up to 17 hours a day), but we try to keep them voiced and
	regulated so I don't believe maintenance is the issue; I think
the
	strings are simply fatigued. (I can break strings myself with 20
- 30
	good solid blows.) I tried decreasing the blow to give a bit
less power
	hoping that it would diminish the breakage, and that helps
somewhat, but
	I don't like to sabotage piano performance just so I can work
less...
	BTW, the strings break mainly at the v-bar.
	
	
	
	I will be restringing these pianos next month (I've HAD IT with
them...)
	so does anyone have any advice concerning the scaling, etc.? I
will be
	dressing the V-bar and doing all the usual prepping. This is a
high
	tension scale and I'd love to redesign it but don't want to put
that
	kind of time and money into these...
	
	
	
	Any helps out there???
	
	
	
	Thanks.
	
	
	
	Jim Busby BYU
	
	
	
	
	
	

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