[CAUT] Steinway Style II questions

Bdshull at aol.com Bdshull at aol.com
Wed Jan 17 10:20:37 MST 2007


Hi, David,

I've inspected a bunch of these in my early Steinway grand research, and 
rebuilt one myself.

The exposed block is what's nice about the early 7'2" "Style II" (many 7'2"s 
were "Style 1" before 1872).   Ed Foote refers to the pinblock tipping, and 
some I've found are so tight the action can't be easily removed;  others are 
original and still fine!   I used a cold roll steel bar between the two front 
stretcher/pinblock bolts, FWIW.    Fit of pinblock to plate at the flange is 
critical too.  There is very little horizontal plate support, only a little at the 
flange;  no struts or webbing whatever.

Action conversions were often done by the factory at a later date.  Capstan 
use began in 1875 by Steinway and many actions were converted - often the 
entire wood frame and in some cases non-Erard action was replaced - this was done 
earlier too, before capstans.   

I've found large amounts of lead too;  many times it's obviously installed 
later, but Steinway was struggling with geometry;  the keystick ratio varied 
from 62% to 70%, and didn't begin to approach the 2-1 ratio until 1880 (from what 
I've measured so far).  Steinway's key front weight was pretty high on 
actions during this period.  So one of the biggest challenges is getting the action 
to play without feeling like it has too much inertia.  Theodore clearly 
struggled with it because he came up with such a uniquely designed action to solve 
this problem in the 1871.   Though most of these have also been replaced with 
the modern repetition action by the factory, one exists in the 1872 6'8" in the 
William Seward House in Auburn NY;  this piano has at most two leads in the 
bass, mostly only one lead per key, and it has a "balance spring." 

Once you have had a good look at these early actions you begin to understand 
how poor Anton Rubenstein might have felt at the end of his long American 
concert tour in the early 1870s.   

I do an all-day seminar on the early Steinway grand and would be happy to 
accept an invitation to your chapter if arrangements could be made.    I give the 
two-class version at the CA State Conference this February 8-11 also.

Bill Shull

  In a message dated 1/17/2007 3:00:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
davidskolnik at optonline.net writes:
Greetings -
Ideally I'd like to hear from those who have had a good deal of experience 
rebuilding these pianos, but I'd welcome any useful observations.  The 
particular type in question is an 85 note, 3/4 plate (exposed block, angled face), 
overstrung, agraffes to note 85, originally rocker action converted to capstan.  

Given that it is an exposed block, do you alter your target tuning pin torque 
from what it would be in a full plate block?

What are the tonal limitations of the upper treble of this type (no capo 
d'astro bar)?  How far could you / would you go to address these limitations?  
This would probably best be addressed to those who are doing innovative 
installations.  Are there inherent limitations in this design that would limit the 
effectiveness of these modifications?

Were these keyboards originally heavily weighted?  I've seen one which starts 
with about 10 (ten) 7/16" leads in A0. On first glance (un-disassembled) they 
look original.

Thanks 

David Skolnik
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