[CAUT] Steinway Style II questions...and choices...

Bdshull at aol.com Bdshull at aol.com
Thu Jan 18 04:10:09 MST 2007


Del, David, Ric, list,

It is probable that the 7'2" built in the late 1860s and 1870s was tuned 
upwards of A457.  That's 2/3 of a half step sharp by our A440 standards. 

Wire of the time was less stiff, more ductile, and had a significantly lower 
breaking strength.  It was going through a period of change, as breaking 
strengths and stiffness increased, pitch was increasing too, probably to ensure 
brightness with increasingly stiffer wire.  For 15 years the 7'2" stringing scale 
remained the same while the wire itself went through a metamorphosis.

Typically in this model A85 is 46mm long.  Too short for modern wire.  The 
Steinway inventory journal shows both Poehlmann and Webster wire in stock during 
this time;  it's possible Webster was being used for the top, as Poehlmann's 
wire was becoming stiffer and might not have worked as well....although at the 
higher tensions it may have worked fine clear to the top.   

Modern wire (Roslau, and especially Mapes)  is far too stiff for the top two 
octaves of this scale, even when tuned to A457 (though it sounds better than 
at 440).  I'd love to find some cast steel wire annealed to fit the original 
scale of the Steinway;  this might come closer to the wire originally used.

I had an 1877 Style II in my shop on consignment this last year.  This piano 
had been rebuilt 20 years before, a straightforward rebuilding of the time.  
It had a very substantial, powerful sound except on top where the lengths were 
shorter.  I restrung the top 1.5 octaves with Pure Sound stainless wire (Juan 
Mas Cabre did the scale work), which brightened up the top some. That's a good 
start.   

I believe it's worth the effort to try to get at what the original designer 
had in mind too.  We will learn far more from these pianos if we make a 
sustained effort to document these pianos, conserve some for study, restore others to 
functional originality, and make replicas or remanufacture in a replica 
manner..

I understand that by increasing the speaking lengths and using modern wire 
we're also trying to do this, but we're fundamentally changing the physical 
dimensions of the instrument;  we're altering the physical document forever.   

It was one thing for Steinway to retrofit an action in 1872 on a ten year old 
piano, as the company was inclined to do;  it's quite another for you and I 
to do these things today.

The time has come for our trade to begin to take seriously the need to 
conserve these older instruments.  Even the somewhat plentiful 7'2" Steinway through 
1878 is not yet well documented, and relatively little is known about it.  
Most have already had modifications (at least restringing, often action 
replacement) and so these things are already partly lost as original documents for 
serious study.   

As piano technicians we need to be aware that our role as consultants and 
experts places us in a position of real influence with these historical 
instruments...people look to us for guidance, when it might be more responsible if we 
referred them to conservators of keyboard instruments.   However, one of the 
reasons we feel free to permanently alter pianos of the period through 1880 is 
that music historians and even keyboard curators don't seem to think this 
period is very important (or that everything that came before was more important, 
and this period really is just the less-important modern period).  So we 
haven't been made to feel the pianos of this period are any more than transitional 
PSOs (one prominent researcher called early Steinways pretty boxes with 
strings), and what was important was what was before...and after...this period.   But 
these instruments are very important....and we won't truly understand them 
until we actually make them the object of continued, disciplined study in their 
own right.

Another reason we aren't so impressed with pianos from this period is that we 
make assumptions about how they once sounded based on how they sound 
today...or we make judgments based on how today's stringing materials sound in these 
old pianos which were designed for string material that doesn't exist today..  
Even if the soundboard structures were healthy, the more ductile cast steel 
wire of the 1860s and 70s was still capable of fatiguing and work hardening, and 
doesn't stand much chance to retain its brightness and ductility, especially 
the wire in the high treble.  And in the high treble the original wire might 
be the only wire capable of really sounding good on the piano, since modern 
wire is too stiff for the short high treble scale.   So we increase speaking 
lengths to accommodate modern wire, while a study of the original wire might 
result in a conservation or restoration which would be the best way to get at what 
the piano truly sounded like.  There are enough 7'2" and 8'5"/8'6" instruments 
out there still (these two lengths shared a similar design and history);  it 
would be worth the trouble to get cast steel wire with the physical 
characteristics of the period, because we'd likely be astonished at the result with 
these instruments.

I inspected an 1860 8'3" flatstrung Steinway which was truly an amazing 
instrument.  "Truly amazing" doesn't seem to fit most of our experiences with the 
typical 7'2" Steinway of 1878 and earlier, but I believe this model was just 
that in its original form, and we should try to get at it, try to get at the 
real truth of it, before it's lost to history.

I'm not saying Del shouldn't design new soundboards for a few of these, but I 
think we've neglected the study of these pianos, and we're running a great 
risk of missing out on the unique greatness of these instruments.  The original 
greatness, as the builder intended.  Complete with their design 
idiosyncrasies.  The convention in Kansas City will have a half-day seminar on piano 
conservation (the first two CAUT periods) where I hope we can begin to understand the 
work of the conservator as it could impact our trade, and I hope that 
continued discussion will result in guidelines which piano technicians may refer to 
when dealing with pianos from this earlier period.  The best way for the PTG to 
do this is to begin to network with professionals in keyboard conservation 
(and the American Institute of Conservation, AIS) and the folks with the 
American Musical Instrument Society (AMIS), who value historical instruments in their 
own right.  So the first period will be a lecture by Laurence Libin, who was 
keyboard curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art for 33 years and very 
active in AMIS.  He now has a desk at Steinway and Sons by virtue of his 
extraordinary lecturing abilities on the history of the piano;  I heard him lecture at 
Steinway last May for three hours, and suggest you don't want to miss his 1.5 
hour class on conservation at Kansas City.

In the meantime I continue to roam the country for pianos to document and 
study (as budget allows), and I welcome the opportunities which come my way to 
combine site visits to document early Steinways with chapter programs or all-day 
seminars on the early Steinway grand....see www.periodpiano.org   Piano 
technicians know better than anyone else where the pianos are...and are in the best 
position to influence owners, when armed with good information.   In February 
I will be in Fresno CA to document the same Centennial grand which was used 
in Cynthia Adams Hoover's influential monograph, "The Steinways and their 
Pianos"  (it had been on loan to the Smithsonian when she studied it).   Later in 
the spring I will inspect the 1857 8' instrument at the Smithsonian which she 
also includes in her study.  It's time for a second, more extensive look at 
these key examples of the scholarship of early Steinways.   Hopefully as the 
protocols for documentation become more sophisticated we'll have an extensive 
database of reliable data which will help us to understand far better what these 
pianos are all about.

Bill Shull



Bill Shull





  In a message dated 1/17/2007 2:36:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
ricb at pianostemmer.no writes:
Hi Del

It would seem to me that raising tension or not on an older instrument 
has a natural structual limit of safety.  As long as you hold yourself 
safely within these boundries I would think one should feel free to do 
what one wants.

I am in the middle of an old instrument rebuilding at this time also. 
The instrument shows absolutely no sign of pinblock stress from 
overloading. No roll, or flexing of the area we'd usually call the 
stretcher. Nor do I find any real sign of structural strain in the rim 
and bracing. This thing had a total of just over 13000 kilos tension if 
modern string specs are used to figure tension. Roughly 29000 lbs. I'm 
probably going to increase that slightly to about 14000 kilos and most 
of the increase will be coming at the top of the scale.  The present top 
note #85 is at 48 mm long and it will probably end up around 50.5-51.  
Most of the top octave will increase slightly, and a few scattered notes 
to even out some humps here and there.

This is also getting a new soundboard and design.  The basic design is 
the same, but I've introduced some crown into the system using a 3 ply 
laminate setup in which crown was establised as part of the lamination 
process.  Otherwise.... the thing remains very close to the origional. 

I'm doing a bit of experimenting with ideas here to be sure... but 
essentially I'm hoping to give it a slightly more modern treble that 
gradually moves towards the original bass sound (which I have always 
liked).  The middle ply is thinned so as to take care of the original 
thinning of the soundboard as a whole. This also very gradually lessens 
the crown and crown strength I've introduced into the treble. With this 
I hope to be able to also introduce a bit of downbearing in the upper 
regions of the scale. More then likely the thing was pretty much strung 
without any downbearing at all. The original rib orientation would offer 
little support thus.  So a tad more tension... a bit more downbearing 
coupled with a bit more stiffness and strength from a panel that shows a 
non-linear spring rate...

Well... we'll see how it turns out.

Cheers
RicB


    I'm remanufacturing one of the early Type I (85-note, 8' 5") grands
    right now.

    There was no sign of stretcher/pinblock structural failure. In this
    case the
    customer and I opted to install a pair of pinblock inserts rather
    than remove
    the whole assembly and build up a complete new pinblock assembly.
    I'm still
    debating whether or not to install some type of gap-spacer to help
    carry the
    load. Once I get the major action parts installed and back in the
    case I'll see
    how much room is available and decide at that time.
     
    This instrument is getting a complete redesign--new soundboard & rib
    design, new
    bridges, new scale, new action, etc.--and, based on previous work on
    these
    instruments, I'm confident the results will be worthwhile. A caution
    is in order
    here: These pianos originally had relatively low-tensioned string
    scales and
    they should stay that way. I'm actually removing some tension from
    the scale of
    the piano I'm currently doing. The piano now has a new tenor/treble
    bridge and a
    log scale. As a result a significant hump in the middle of the tenor
    section has
    been smoothed out.

    No attempt should be made to make these pianos into modern powerhouse
    instruments. Properly redesigned and rebuild they are wonderful
    pianofortes.
    They cannot be made into fortes.
     
    Del
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