On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:42:32 +0100 Richard Brekne <ricb at pianostemmer.no> wrote: > Ah, a post what puts a finger closer to the core of the >present tangent to this debate. It has been amazing to >see how so many have dodged around the more holistic >pictures here to bang through individual points which >regardless of their validity or not are rather >meaningless in themselves. We do need to keep it >friendly tho .. :) Hi Ric, You are right, I did get a little carried away in the emphasis department. Apologies to the list for flaming. OTOH, there are occasionally times when a little yelling is justified, IMO. Nothing personal towards Jeff, whom I respect and consider a friend (and hope the feeling is mutual), but a blatant falsehood needs to be challenged or we cant have a productive conversation. I view the statement I quoted as equivalent to a claim that someone who passed the RPT tuning exam has merely shown the ability to sit in a room with a piano for an hour and a half and make a slight improvement in its tuning, and furthermore tuning ability is something you are born with cant be taught or tested. Maybe we are all entitled to our own opinion, but if we are to contribute in a positive way to a conversation we have to think at least a little bit about what we say, and keep it within the boundaries of reality. I know that Jeff has a tendency to overstate his case, to use hyperbole in argument. I can live with that, but there are limits. I still cant stand by and let a statement like this pass unchallenged: Someone who holds a music degree has merely demonstrated that they can absorb material long enough to regurgitate it on an exam, and that they have shown some degree of incremental improvement in musical ability over a 2 or 4 year period, that they have attended a certain number of performances per term and have been present and accounted for in at least one performing ensemble each term. I have my own healthy share of cynicism towards degrees and educational programs, but I also have decades of experience watching freshmen become graduates (and my own experience as a college student, both undergraduate and masters). I know with absolute certainty they did more than that. At least in my institution, and I dont think UNM is among the top music schools in the country. Now as to whether a music degree is necessary or desirable for a caut, that is another question. I like Alan Eders attitude: I have found the value of my own years studying music vis a vis working in a conservatory environment is understanding the language (which one can get on one's own) but, moreover, having a high degree of empathy for what the the students and faculty are experiencing as performers and composers in a school setting. The empathy and understanding of what is going on in the school or department is extremely valuable. Necessary, maybe not, but helpful, yes. Should a PTG CAUT endorsement include requiring a college degree of any sort? Id say no. Let the institution require it if they choose. We should focus on technical chops in working on pianos, and knowledge in appropriate areas (organization, etc). Regards, Fred Sturm University of New Mexico
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