[CAUT] Moore vs ET

[Porritt, David]

No, some people think A4 should  *always* be at 440 so they construct
the alternate temperament so A has no offset.  Others prefer to keep the
overall tension the same as in ET so they'll sacrifice the A so that all
the offset numbers add up to 0 and there will be no tension difference
when the WT is used.  The temperament as I've listed it below would have
a net gain of overall tension of 13 cents.  If you lowered each note
1-cent that would make a gain of only 1 cent so the tension would be
essentially the same as ET.

dave


David M. Porritt, RPT
dporritt at smu.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Jim Busby
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:13 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Moore vs ET

David,

That's what is in my Verituner, but everything is 1 cent lower. Here's a
dumb (maybe) question. Is a temperament "centered" on a key? For
instance, below, is "A" the tone center since it is "0"?

IOW, there are "smooth" and more "active" chords (my words) in any non
ET. So, does one choose this tone center? Am I off base, and it doesn't
make a difference?

...just trying to put 2 and two together...

Jim Busby BYU





-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Porritt, David
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:55 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Moore vs ET

Fred:

Here's the Coleman 11 I have.

C    4.00     "Coleman XI " from Jim Coleman, Sr.
C#   1.00
D    1.00
D#   1.00
E   -2.00
F    5.00
F#  -1.00
G    3.00
G#   1.00
A    0.00
A#   3.00
B   -3.00

dp


David M. Porritt, RPT
dporritt at smu.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Fred Sturm
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:31 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Moore vs ET

Thanks, Ed. I assume the "Broadwood Best" you refer to is "Ellis tuner
#4" (#5 comes much closer to ET and is pretty bland. I am fond of BB
#4 myself). I have seen a couple of the Coleman temperaments, but not
#11. Where are they available? Or might you post them? I have seen a
few "proposed Bach Temperaments" but am not familiar with J. Charles
Francis. Can you shed some light? (source, whatever).
        BTW, I had one customer who wanted one of his three pianos tuned
to
mean tone, centered on E flat. He liked to sing in keys ranging around
that pitch, and he loved that clean M3 sound. The others went ET (he
wasn't interested in exploring further).
Regards,
Fred Sturm
University of New Mexico
fssturm at unm.edu



On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:46 PM, A440A at aol.com wrote:

> Fred writes:
>
> << Do you have a sense of how big a difference from ET is needed to
> have
> a pianist really notice and pay attention? In your experience, does
> Moore reach that threshold?<<
>
>     Not usually.  It seems that most pianists don't notice a third
> being
> wider than normal until it hits about 17 cents wide.
>
> <<If not, what does? What do you use with
> success, not counting actual historical performance practice oriented
> people and occasions? Does something this side of Valotti fit the
> bill? >>
>
>   I use the Moore and Co. as my default tuning in everything from
> concert
> halls to radio station studios, and I never hear anyone say that
> they noticed
> the tuning was different. But I do hear a lot of pianists remark on
> how resonant
> the piano sounds. I still think there is something bland about strict
> equality.
>    The purely classical players usually prefer the Coleman 11 if
> they are
> playing a wide range of music,(say from 1700-1900) , the Broadwood
> Best if they
> are playing less of the later 19th century stuff. Some customers
> have found
> that the Bach tuning as proposed by J. Charles Francis was really
> what they were
> looking for.  Others, with limited playing ability, and an aversion
> to key
> signatures with more than 4 accidentals, are well pleased with a Young
> temperament.
>    I have also had a very well known pianist not realize he was
> playing a
> Young temperament,  even though the student right next to them was
> playing on an
> ET tuned piano!
> Regards,
> Ed Foote RPT
> http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html
> www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
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