[CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone

[Keith Roberts]

I just attended the soundboard design class 2 by Urlich Sauter. The question
was posed to him as to why the one piano had a cantelever bass and the other
didn't. He said On this piano he felt the sound benefited more from the
scale being longer but the bridge needed to be placed away from the rim
farther. It was not an excessive cantelever and very well built. He
obviously listened to it both ways and he was of the opinion the cantelever
improved the overall sound. You guys who insist that in all instances, no
cantilever is better than some, you must be missing something.
Keith Roberts
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Ed Sutton <ed440 at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Bruce doesn't claim to have the only answer.
> He seems to thrive on the thought that there can be many different kinds
> of pianos.
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
> To: "Ed Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com>; "College and University
> Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:59 AM
> Subject: RE: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone
>
>
>
> True. That's why I quoted him, even though it goes against what I've seen.
> I'm still very much the rooky/learner at this.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed
> Sutton
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:37 AM
> To: College and University Technicians
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone
>
> Jim-
>
> I can't think of anyone with as broad an experience of the industry as
> Bruce's. He designed and built the real Falcone piano, and he is the the
> person who designs the new Mason and Hamlin pianos, and gets them built.
> He's very open to innovation, but recognizes that an innovation has to be
> made to work in the factory and must be accepted by the market. He seems
> to
> be hitting the mark with Mason & Hamlin.
>
> Ed Sutton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
> To: <ilvey at sbcglobal.net>; "College and UniversityTechnicians"
> <caut at ptg.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone
>
>
> David,
> >
> > FWIW, Bruce Clark (M&H #1 man) and I had a lengthy discussion about
> > this.
> > He played some bass notes for me and said "With a bass like this why
> > would
> > we want to change?" He's not a believer but admits he hasn't tried it.
> >
> > Jim Busby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
> > David Ilvedson
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:12 PM
> > To: caut at ptg.org
> > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone
> >
> > Speaking of the belt, I noticed on a newer Mason & Hamlin A that it had
> > a
> > pretty short backscale, especially the lower notes.   If a modification
> > was to be done (I'm not planning this or anything, just interested)
> > would
> > material be removed from the belt and the bridge moved closer toward the
> > t-pins?
> >
> > David Ilvedson, RPT
> > Pacifica, CA  94044
> >
> > ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> > From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> > To: "College and University Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>
> > Received: 5/1/2008 4:12:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge, tone
> >
> >
> > Yes, belt.  That was it!  Age is a cruel thing...
> > >
> >
> > David Love
> > > davidlovepianos at comcast.net
> > > www.davidlovepianos.com
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Delwin
> > > D Fandrich
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:17 PM
> > > To: 'College and University Technicians'
> > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered bridge,
> > > tone
> > >
> >
> >
> > > The part of the plate between the bass bridge and the lower part of
> > > the
> > > tenor
> > > bridge is traditionally called the "belt."
> > >
> >
> > Del
> > >
> >
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > > | From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On
> > > | Behalf Of David Love
> > > | Sent: May 01, 2008 1:27 PM
> > > | To: 'College and University Technicians'
> > > | Subject: Re: [CAUT] Bass bridge, string scale, cantilevered
> > > | bridge, tone
> > > |
> > > | I meant the plate.  I realize there's an apron on a
> > > | cantilevered bass bridge but I always thought that part of
> > > | the plate in front of the bass bridge was also called the
> > > | apron.  Brain cells could well be deteriorating--everything else is.
> > > |
> > > | David Love
> > > | davidlovepianos at comcast.net
> > > | www.davidlovepianos.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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