At 22:39 -0700 2/5/08, David Love wrote: >...Del just posted something on shortening the cantilever on the M, >not eliminating it. The factors that have been discussed have not >been limited to the cantilever alone but also include the backscale >length, proximity of the low tenor bridge in relation to the bass >bridge, scaling, soundboard design especially in the bass end of the >piano, hitch pin arrangements to name a few... And there are others, not touched on. If there were some intrinsic virtue in a suspended bridge, we can imagine a lot of makers over the years would have suspended the bridge on grands over 6 ft. including concert grands. Tastes in tone colour have varied and do vary from age to age and from place to place, but taste has never led piano makers to cantilever the bridge except as a compromise, to get the best possible performance out of short pianos. In the case of the 5'10" Steinway 'O' with a suspended bridge and a bottom A length of 139 cm. it could well be argued that, all other things being equal, the apron could be considerably reduced or even removed altogether, resulting in a bottom A length of, say, 130 cm. and tonal results achieved which most people would see as an improvement. This is a plausible hypothesis because it still leaves the piano with string lengths that are quite acceptable and even common in a piano of that length. With verticals and short overstrungs or grands with maximum string lengths less than, say, 105 cm., the question is different. Every centimetre's reduction in the string length will tell tonally and I know of no maker that has managed to get away without suspending the bridge to some extent. There are extreme cases, such as Lipp and Bechstein verticals with an apron almost 6" wide and I have a Lipp overstrung upright with a curved apron and strings as long as on a Steinway model B! which, surprisingly?, does not sound quite the same as a B. The Coblenz maker, Knauss, whose pianos have a exceptionally warm and clear bass, rejected the apron and had a tall, curved bass bridge that is quite steeply angled, to allow for string probably 4 cm. longer than would be possible with a bridge at 90 degrees to the board. I have not seen this from any other maker, though there may be other examples. With such an arrangement there is a worthwhile gain without the loss inherent in an apron. At the moment I am working on two Brinsmead overstrung grands of different periods, both about 5'8" in length, which is about the length where questions begin to be asked. Brinsmead refused to suspend the bridge and instead judiciously floated the soundboard. I will post some pictures, but the 'floating' is differently done on the two pianos, one from 1870 and one from 1905. The result on both is good. I have just fitted hammers recovered with Wurzen AA felt to the 1905 piano and am slowed down in my work of regulation by the strong temptation to play the piano for long periods instead of turning screws etc. I will also post some pictures of English arrangements on verticals, where the optimum was achieved by a combination of freeing the soundboard from a rigid fixing to the back and some cantilevering of the bridge. I think the only German upright I have seen that floated the board was a Thürmer. There may be others but generally the Germans seem to have stuck religiously to a rigid fixing of the board all round. With a fixed soundboard, an apron, and a short string back-length it strikes me there is bound to be a stifling or impairment of the tone, since vibrations that are destined for direct transmission to the soundboard are used up in bending the apron. I would be interested to know if a short back-length has any bad effect on the tone of a piano where the soundboard is made flexible enough, by springing, to respond to the direct impulses through a straight-down bridge. I think the bad effect would probably be far less, if not actually negligible, than in a piano with a soundboard rigidly fixed to the rim. JD
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