[CAUT] Some like it Hot/Some like it Cold!

Paul T Williams pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu
Thu May 22 11:19:53 MDT 2008


Hi Jim and all,

I'm convinced enough to try 'em.  I ordered a few sets yesterday.  I will, 
without a full regulation, put them in one of our Steinway D's first and 
have the piano faculty chair, Paul Barnes, sit and play it and see what he 
has to say.  Of course, I will make sure key dip, aftertouch is regulated 
if needed to where he likes it first!. but anything else will be very 
close to what is there right now. (actually really good at the moment). 
I'm hoping for the best.

Thanks for all the input everyone!

Paul




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Hi Paul,
 
Sorry for the late reply.
 
Guru regulator I am not… <G> But I do know that excessive aftertouch = 
death to repetition. Gould, Horowitz, and other legends were known to not 
want much, if any, aftertouch. (BTW, I do like some aftertouch) The 
Crescendo punchings don’t compress as much so you get a firm felling of 
the bottom of the key and exactly where it is. To my limited understanding 
and experience this is why it “works better”. I just know what the 
pianists say. As far as the tone goes, there is a difference. You can play 
with it yourself. (Ed Foote’s post.)
 
BTW, I’ve tested the compression (with my Mitutoyo gauge and a rather 
unscientific “this squishes down more” test) and the felt they use on a D 
and the CF are similar in firmness, yet the “key noise” is a bit 
different. Now, why would Steinway and Yamaha put different felt on their 
concert instruments and not their uprights? (cost?) This whole thing might 
seem like “straining at the gnat” as the saying goes, but to me it seems 
like something that works. 
 
Regards,
Jim 

From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul 
T Williams
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:48 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Some like it Hot/Some like it Cold!
 

Jim,  Thank you!! 

Maybe you should just wave your "I'm great at regulating" flag!!!!  Yea 
for you!  I'm still not sold as to why these punchings are so great. 
Please explain.  How in the world do punchings affect tone????? (I think 
I'm really good at regulating too, but tone/voicing is still on my "to-do" 
list.  Does anyone think they're the BEST at that ;>)  I've never been 
frowned at for my regulations.....tone/voicing...maybe somewhat, but I've 
fixed it to suit them... but not regulating! I'm getting better tho being 
in concert situations much more often! :>)  Does anyone think they have 
the "perfect voicing" down pat???? (Wally and Steve Brady are close...but 
then again, Steve's my mentor!) 

 Again, it's all relative to what each pianist likes.. some, I don't like 
(what they think is good!!!..but I do it)  This will ever be a debate as 
to what the perfect tone is on any piano.  Some like it HOT and some like 
it COLD. 


As to my first question...do 3/4" punchings compared to 1" punchings make 
a difference? And why are there  differences in size when only a 7/8th 
keyboard would play in? 



Thanks again Jim.. I reeealy like your imput! (Everyone else too for that 
matter!) 

Paul 

ps.  I'm still interested in trying those newfangled Werzen punchings, but 
I need more support as to why I should. 




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Hi David,

It's denser, but I wouldn't call it "hard". It's still very soft but 
doesn't compress as much. I've find that I can regulate with less 
aftertouch which seems to give better control and faster repetition.

I don't need to "sell" you on it, you may not like it, but between Vince 
and I we've probably put on 70-80 sets and in some cases didn't even tell 
the pianist. In 100% (so far :-) they've not only noticed a big 
difference, but have loved the way it played. Vince even tells me he 
thinks it sounds different... He played one note and kept exchanging the 
two punchings, and I'll admit there was something there, but I think it 
was simply less "piano noise" and not piano tone.

Yes, I like it, and it's been dang near miraculous to me. I like it so 
well I chop it up and add some to my cereal every morning. <G>

Regards,
Jim

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David Ilvedson
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:33 PM
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I'm not convinced...I've only installed a couple of sets, but I'm not sure 
if I like the impact of the harder punching...

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

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From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
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Received: 5/19/2008 11:38:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] 3/4" front rail cloth punchings


>Paul,

>No matter what the set it is/was, I'd consider replacing it with the 
"Crescendo"
>punchings. (Wertzen felt. Way better.) The testing committee is now 
specifying
>these for action models in testing. We replace them and pianists say how 
much
>better the touch is.

>Regards,
>Jim Busby BYU

>________________________________
>From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of 
Paul T
>Williams
>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:30 AM
>To: College and University Technicians
>Subject: [CAUT] 3/4" front rail cloth punchings


>Hi all,

>I, by accident, ordered some sets of front rail cloth punchings but 
received 3/4"
>diameter.  I might want to send them back, but I was wondering if there 
is a huge
>difference in the feel over the 1" dia.  punchings?  I assume the 3/4" 
dia.  are for
>uprights, but aren't upright keys' widths pretty close to the same as 
grands?  I know
>there are slight variances from make to make be their original design of 
the width
>from the width of the whole keyframe.  3/4 would probably be required for 
7/8th
>size keyboards, but why do they really make two sizes?

>Thanks for your ever-ending wisdom :>)

>Paul


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