Hi Jim Sorry to be in late on this... been busy and wanted to read carefully the 2nd article on false beats in the journal before answering. That's what was a bit weird; it (pressing the pin with a screwdriver I presume) actually made the beats stronger and more pronounced. Keith said "wow, that's a loud beat!" Jim This goes hand in hand with what I've been saying along... and most definitely shoots major holes in the whole flagpolling pin idea. And before anyone gets up in arms and points out that article number 2 <<confirms>> the flagpolling a effect a bridge pin can have let me remind one and all that in article 1 Jim clearly states that his experiments do NOT take into consideration the affect of the bridge and bridge coupling to soundboard, nor the soundboard itself for that matter. His experiments in article 2 show only what measurable of string behavior for four bridge termination conditions... along with some shorter information about front termination conditions. None of this considers what a real life piano may produce in the face of any of the controlled experiment conditions the string itself displays. It is entirely possible for a false beating string to fail to produce an audible or even measurable (from the perspective of soundboard sound output). This is easily confirmed by examining just about any 60 year old beater. At that age you can bet that every single bridge pin has its hole elongated enough to do the job described in point two of Jims last article. Yet despite the flagpolling condition only a minority fraction of strings in such pianos actually produce an audible false beat of the kind that responds in any fashion to the screwdriver pressure test. All this points clearly to the obvious fact that in real pianos quite a bit more is involved in the end resultant false beat. Things that lay beyond the compound termination that is the bridge pin and bridge surface in the path that starts with the string and ends with the soundboards vibrations clearly come into play and it is only when certain as yet undetermined combination of moments occur in concert as it were that an audible false beat results. At present I'm seeking funding from the University system here in Norway for a more down to earth survey of false beat occurrence in real piano for different bridge termination conditions. Informal studies have shown clearly that there is no statistical correlation between the occurrence of a classic false beat and any particular bridge pin condition. The only thing that has shown to have a clear significant relationship is the addition of certain chemicals to the bridge at the bridge pin in reductions of already occurring classic false beats. This includes CA, Epoxy and Lacquers. What the exact relationship is here is as far as I can see not understood. It is to my mind of thinking unwarranted to jump to the conclusion that this simply <<tightens>> a loose bridge pin since no correlation between loose bridge pins and occurring false beats in real pianos can be found to begin with. As to your B.... have you tried muting off the entire back scale to see if the false beating is quieted ? Cheers RicB
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