On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Fred Sturm wrote: > If we are really talking about historical practice, and we set aside > the fantasies about 19th century key coloration (that Jorgensen > promoted - and which have very scant historical basis In the interest of trying to establish clarity, I need to explain what I meant by the above. I don't want to be misunderstood as denying the "idea of key characteristics," for which there is plenty of evidence. The evidence is contradictory, but it is there. Interestingly, Rameau and Rousseau disputed along these lines in a way similar to arguments that were made on this list very recently. Rameau argued for coloration based on harmonic progression (advocating ET), and Rousseau argued for coloration enhanced by tuning (arguing for "French Ordinaire" which is a fairly extreme circulating temperament with one to three pure M3s and some wide 5ths, meaning the wide M3s are substantially wider than Pythagorean - and the sizes of M2s and m2s vary enough that scales sound quite different from one another). Rameau argued that the normal tuning of his time resulted in a lot of "out of tune sounding" intervals, which didn't enhance the music, and that ET was a better compromise. (Based on my own ears' response to French Ordinaire, I'm with Rameau, though I try to have an open mind about it - the distant keys are "too distant"). In any case, leaving that digression aside, what I was referring to as " the fantasies about 19th century key coloration" was Jorgensen's notion, which he emphasized repeatedly, that 19th century tuners "heard differently and tuned differently." Here is a typical quote from Jorgensen: “Nineteenth-century tuning by ear was a highly developed art based on aesthetic judgments for every tone, and test chords were used more than test intervals. By contrast, twentieth-century tuning is a mathematical skill." The implication, reinforced by other statements he made, is that 19th century tuners had these "key colors" in their ears, and used them as the basis for making tuning decisions, and as a method for achieving them. Let's look at that notion with a practical mind. Suppose you reverse his statement and say that 20th century tuners had ET sounds in their ears, and that they used the color of ET chords to create their tunings, adjusting each one until all sounded "just so." Imagine somebody actually trying to tune that way. In my imagination, that somebody is going to be chasing his tail for hours and never arriving at the desired result. It is very clear to me (and from all the written evidence) that tuners in the 19th century actually tuned by the same means as tuners of the 18th, 17th, and 20th: they divided the octave using 5ths and checked their results using M3s (and, yes, in the 19th century, instructions call for listening to triads as well as bare M3s). In order to get a pattern of varying sizes of M3s, you need to understand how the cycle of 5ths interacts with the M3s. And it is counterintuitive. Dirty 5ths produce cleaner M3s. And very subtle differences in 5th sizes add up fast to make fairly large differences in M3s, as all of us know (all of us who have tuned aurally). Trying to tune by adjusting M3 sizes individually is a recipe for disaster. So, while I am willing to believe that there were fine tuners in the 19th century who might have adjusted their "quasi-ET" tunings to favor the white keys (though I doubt very many were that adept), I am quite convinced that they did so by adjusting and balancing 5th sizes, not by listening to "key coloration of chords." It is possible that they used "key coloration of chords" as a "proof" of their tuning. But they needed a procedure, a template to come up with a pattern, and there is no surviving written evidence pointing to such procedures, other than assuming that one would use standard WT or MT procedures (meaning patterns of 5th sizes) and moderate them by using different 5th sizes - subtly different 5th sizes, if you are to come up with a refined result. That's a lot of assuming. This is separate from the notion that some tuners actually continued to follow WT and MT procedures through the 19th and into the 20th century without aspiring to "quasi ET." There is sporadic evidence of that, especially in England, Italy and the US. But that is very much an exception, and focused more on the organ than stringed instruments. Regards, Fred Sturm University of New Mexico fssturm at unm.edu
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